Re: Our Guild name - Tactical Gamer

**TheFatKidDeath** · 05-16-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Guild names can make or break the immersion factor for a lot of players. Tactical Gamer as a guild name is fine, though it really doesn't fit into the lore of the game.

You have to remember, that it's going to be floating above your head when most people look at you so it does hold some serious water in regards to what it's effect will be. (yes, a floating name above your head kills immersion in the first place, but we work with what we got.

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Using TG as a guild name does make complete sense, but you also have to understand why some people would be upset with it in regards to the games setting.

I would agree that the name does not fit in with the lore of Conan. However, there will be thousands of players running around with names like, Paul12, BigBlade, Ikillyou, etc..whose name are less than Conanesque while all belonging to a Guild called TheCimmerianBarbarians which fits in with the lore. Player names can just as easily "kill" the immersion of a Guild as the name of a Guild kills the immersion for the player.

Personally, character name creates more immersion than what the Guild is named. I understand what you are getting at but I had to go with the lesser of all the evils.

**fldash** · 05-16-2008, 12:50 PM

Just because other people are running around with stupid character and guild names doesn't mean you have to pick a generic guild name. We are our own entity. In my opinion, building a reputation under a guild name that's not known as a huge community of BF2/1942 players would mean something. I highly doubt the WOW guild is called 'Tactical Gamer'; it's the same situation.

To be honest, I've considered not even joining the guild over the name decision. Sure, I'm being childish and immature, but I feel so strongly about it. That's just how I feel and I can't help it.

**Nepharyte0** · 05-16-2008, 12:52 PM

I would strongly recommend a setting name. There is no .com after the name, so no one will know it is a gaming community until they either read our guild/clan info or we tell them. This seems to be a much more immersive experience than WoW. So I would want something to help promote that experience. Once someone asks,we can explain who and what we are. Having "Tactical Gamer" as a guild name offers no benefit over any other name within the game. Any potential new member will still have to be told what it really is. And as a personal opinion it takes away from the experience. Maybe think of our guild name like the In House Squads. We all have different names, with TG in the front. We just leave our TG to be read in the guild info and to be related to new recruits by the members of the guild.

**SmokingTarpan** · 05-16-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by fldash

I highly doubt the WOW guild is called 'Tactical Gamer'

It is, actually.

To be honest, I've considered not even joining the guild over the name decision. Sure, I'm being childish and immature, but I feel so strongly about it. That's just how I feel and I can't help it.

You're a very uncompromising fellow, about numerous things. Hell, if not for the fact that I'm bringing several RL friends of mine into AoC that vehemently hate PvP servers, I was willing to give the PvP server a shot- even though I'd prefer a PvE server. Luckily, we're going the dual-server route at TG for now.

It's your $15/mo, so you're quite entitled to play exactly how you want. But it doesn't say much that you want team-oriented play with team-oriented players, yet nitpick every detail to the point that you'd refuse to play with your teammates if things don't go your way every time.

We have 20+ people involved, and decisions are made for the good of the majority, not for one particular player. Honestly, if you're going to get this hung up on the name of the guild, what's going to happen when you disagree with decisions made about the guild's activities?

**TheFatKidDeath** · 05-16-2008, 01:31 PM

If you don't like the name of the Guild I need you to list SPECIFIC suggestions of names you want. Some of you have done this some of you have not. Complaining and not offering specific names on what you would like the Guild to be called is wasting everyone's time.

Furthermore, I'll restate my position on why Tactical Gamer was choosen as the Guild name:

)It's the name of our community. We may have players who we meet in game who visit TG and are interested in games other than Age Of Conan. So, we can not only promote our Guild but the whole community at large.

2)Of the choices it was the easiest to spell and pronounce.

3)It may not fit into the lore but we have to compromise. You can stick with the lore by making sure your character name is Conanesque.

4)No favoritism on my part. I wanted something a bit more Conanesque but no one was really that excited about my suggestions.

If a majority of players feel strongly about the name of the Guild we can currently revisit the subject.

**Gambit7** · 05-16-2008, 01:37 PM

I will say this for the TG name... it helps keep less mature players from showing interest. There's no "oooh, they have a perdy name... I are joining them!" Also, there's an immediate reputation gained with the tag above your head - even from Devs (many who know this site). In many ways, the nme may even be more fearful of a squad approaching them with the "Tactical Gamer" tag rather than something like "MEH" or even "Taktiko." Actually, Taktiko is kinda scary... but, I digress. (most greek words are scary because of the jacked spelling). As well, it's easier to weed through recruits with the TG name rather than something else... as the recruits know what we're about w/o even asking.

Just another angle on the matter. As I've said before with most things about this game. I'm indifferent and largely torn. Perhaps yet another poll with the most popular choices?
Or perhaps we can ask the MAN himself (Apophis) for the answer (but, I already know what he'll say).

We have more time than tomorrow for the poll to show its fruits, but I bet there will be lvl 20s by Sunday afternoon (me one of them, hopefully).

For those wondering about the lore, remember Conanesque groups had largely simple, yet powerful names right? Like Snowhawks, Iron Wolves, etc. That's why FKD made the suggestions he did originally. The Latin/Greek mindset was a compromise between the lore and TG, since the lore is somewhat based on Greek principles and nameage.

**Nemesis** · 05-16-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheFatKidDeath

I would agree that the name does not fit in with the lore of Conan. However, there will be thousands of players running around with names like, Paul12, BigBlade, Ikillyou, etc..whose name are less than Conanesque while all belonging to a Guild called TheCimmerianBarbarians which fits in with the lore. Player names can just as easily "kill" the immersion of a Guild as the name of a Guild kills the immersion for the player.

Personally, character name creates more immersion than what the Guild is named. I understand what you are getting at but I had to go with the lesser of all the evils.

I personally agree with you 100% and have zero issue with the name. I was just trying to explain why some people might not be happy with it and why you've caught some resistance.

Character and Guild naming is huge in MMO's and can determine a lot when it comes to recruitment and just general interest in your guild when you're starting out and no one has a reputation. You'll be surprised how many people you get that won't consider joining you because of your name/guild crest/colors/etc. Sometimes we get too caught up in what TG means to its members and don't consider that most people playing MMO's could give a rat's ass about TG or what it stands for.

The actions of the guild will take care of that part, but the name is the first impression people get. For an FPS, it kicks ass...for a fantasy MMO...not so much.

But you did what you had to do and if anyone takes serious issue with it..well no one is forcing anyone to join, right?

To Ghambit, if Apo has any feelings one way or another, I don't really think it should hold any more weight than anyone elses. TG isn't paying for the sever or our subscriptions, so what the group decides to name the guild is exactly that...the group/guild leaders decision.

Yes, we're using TG forums, but in most cases, we pay for that too so the point is moot.

**Nepharyte0** · 05-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by TheFatKidDeath

If a majority of players feel strongly about the name of the Guild we can currently revisit the subject.

Please revisit the name. Or maybe a compromise. PvP server is Tactical Gamer. It will be the place that will best showcase the Tactical Gamer way of martial play. The PvE server to be a more setting oriented name. Since we should compromise. And we have 2 locations, then lets have 2 different approaches to the name of the guild.

And for Names.
"Nameless Cult(s)" - fictional text name created by REH
"The Picts" - Ruthless barbaric tribe
"Bran Mak Morn" - King of the Picts
"Partha Mac Othna" - king's disguise name
"Wolves of Mu" - I know..sounds a bit silly, but uses REH lands
"Soldiers of the Topaz Crown" - not sure on letter limit, but used from the Kull stories
"Red Slayers" - mercenary army from Kull stories

**fldash** · 05-16-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

It is, actually.

LOL. Shows how much I know!

Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

You're a very uncompromising fellow, <snip>

I'm not going to disagree with you. I'm a bit of a jerk when I get my mind set on something. It's really just because I'm a creature of habit. I've always played on a PvP server when offered and always had a guild named either something hilarious or something that fits with the lore. To be honest, and this is certainly going to be hard to believe, those are the things I feel most strongly about. I'm a semi-casual/semi-hardcore player. I'm married and such my time in game will be limited. I don't expect to be in the top raiding groups or even the top PvP groups. That said I do want to enjoy my time in game as much as possible.

My only argument against 'Tactical Gamer' are simply that for some reason it annoys me and I think will single us out in PvP servers for being elitists (because the name sounds elitist).

**TheFatKidDeath** · 05-16-2008, 02:00 PM

Some players posting on this thread are simply not reading what I have written:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME OF THE GUILD I NEED YOU TO LIST SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS OF NAMES YOU WANT.

DO NOT complain about a name if you cannot come up with a list of alternatives.

**Nepharyte0** · 05-16-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheFatKidDeath

Some players posting on this thread are simply not reading what I have written:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME OF THE GUILD I NEED YOU TO LIST SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS OF NAMES YOU WANT.

DO NOT complain about a name if you cannot come up with a list of alternatives.

I did include names...hehe

**fldash** · 05-16-2008, 02:05 PM

My favorites from the other thread:

Ars Excellens
The Black Kingdom

**TheFatKidDeath** · 05-16-2008, 02:12 PM

I'm going to close this thread and start another one.

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