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    Conqueror or Guardian?

    I posted a thread a while back asking "Necro or Demonologist?", and now I have the same questions with these 2 classes. Basically, what's the main difference, they both look like big, mean guys that are angry and lug around big, mean weapons...so enlighten me people.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Conqueror is all about buff and stamina management. It probably has the most abilities in the entire game and it can be quite a challenge trying to figure out how to use em all properly... one mistake, u and ur group are dead. Properly specced, they can lay down a helluva lot of DPS - but you sacrifice a lot of defense for this. The class is basically all about making the right choices.

    Guardian is the tank, plain and simple. Most HP, most able to taunt, and best with 2H. The main benefit IMO with Guardian over Conqueror is that Guardian can use polearms as well as shields. Polearms are the most powerful weapons in the game as well as having the longest reach. Aggro management is the main M.O. of this class. The Conqueror can tank for a while in place of a Guardian, but not for nearly as long and the Conq will have to sacrifice DPS for stamina and defense.

    Both classes are extremely important in any guild, but the guardian moreso (obviously, he's the tank). I look at the conqueror as the "icing on the cake" kind of soldier class. Properly played they can make a group twice as deadly.

    Regardless though, Priests are the bestest.

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Understood. So priests are good, but what about mages?
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422 View Post
    Understood. So priests are good, but what about mages?
    Honestly? All the classes are good if played right. We're just lacking in priests a bit right now... as well as ranged dps mages.

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Ahh, I see. Yh I like the ToS (priest), but I also like the Demonologist (ranged mage) because you can spit fire an crap lightning at the same time, but I'm drawn to the HoX too (melee mage). I was interested in the soldier and rogue fighting types, but I think I'll prefer the crazy evil spells .

    I'm also kind of interested in the Assassin. Could anyone help out with what they're all about. I surmise that they can't take much damage, but they deal a fair bit out...and that's about it. I think I've also heard that they're quick and good at evading, but what's this I hear about keeping to the shadows or something? If I could be a concealed player that strikes from the darkness all the time, that would so beat everything else on the cool list .

    P.S. Can the ranged mages do anything at all in terms of melee or are they for ranged pretty much exclusively...? Otherwise I'd lean towards HoX over Demo because I'd like to not be completely useless if I was needed to get up close.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    If you gonan be priest go ToS or Bear Shaman, do NOT, repeat, do NOT pick Mitra, it is underpowered atm in healing and dps.

    As for guardian/conqueror - Guardians is the only class that can use Full Plate armor. Guardians also can do AOE damage with polearms, and if specced correctly will wtfpwn any other class in PvP.

    Also, if you wanna be raiding, never think about damage, damage means nothing in raids, what matters is aggro and how you manage it, splash out all yuor mana on damage and you will be owned by mobs (for casters). You will need to spec a lot of points in aggro management, part which reduces chance of mobs attacking you etc.

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    As for guardian/conqueror - Guardians is the only class that can use Full Plate armor. Guardians also can do AOE damage with polearms, and if specced correctly will wtfpwn any other class in PvP.
    wtfpwn is my new favourite word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    Also, if you wanna be raiding, never think about damage, damage means nothing in raids, what matters is aggro and how you manage it, splash out all yuor mana on damage and you will be owned by mobs (for casters). You will need to spec a lot of points in aggro management, part which reduces chance of mobs attacking you etc.
    Huh...thanks for this insight man, I'm gonna trust you on that one.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422 View Post
    wtfpwn is my new favourite word.



    Huh...thanks for this insight man, I'm gonna trust you on that one.
    Trust him on that because he's right. The more damage you do to a mob the more hate you generate. The more hate you generate the higher on the mobs hate list you go. If you generate more hate than the tank and get to the top of the mobs hate list then the mob runs straight for you. So instead of the mob pounding on the tank who can take that abuse it pounds on you and turns you into a spot on the pavement who will need to be rezzed.

    Now the party is down atleast 1 party member to deal with any remaining mobs pulled and depending on the organization of the group things may be a bit confused from people breaking off to try to save you. For an unprepared group this can lead to a party wipeout. Depending on the mobs it could wipeout an organized group.


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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Understood, nice insight, it's appreciated.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    If you gonan be priest go ToS or Bear Shaman, do NOT, repeat, do NOT pick Mitra, it is underpowered atm in healing and dps.

    As for guardian/conqueror - Guardians is the only class that can use Full Plate armor. Guardians also can do AOE damage with polearms, and if specced correctly will wtfpwn any other class in PvP.

    Also, if you wanna be raiding, never think about damage, damage means nothing in raids, what matters is aggro and how you manage it, splash out all yuor mana on damage and you will be owned by mobs (for casters). You will need to spec a lot of points in aggro management, part which reduces chance of mobs attacking you etc.
    This is disturbingly incorrect in every aspect. Priest of Mitra is not Underpowered in the slightest. In fact the Priest of Mitra and the Tempest of Set are probably the most overpowered classes in the game in the game.

    The Priest of Mitra has very good crowd control (a low cooldown knockdown, a direct fear, etc) and has the best healing abilities. As far as damage, they are pretty good at that as well. I've seen a priest of Mitra run into a group of six, knock them down and AoE them all to death.

    I'd say the Bear Shaman is the most gimped out of the Priests.

    As far as the Guardian in PvP goes, the reason it does so well is because of its health and armour. Most classes cannot deal enough damage to it to compinsate the crowd control. Most people avoid Guardian fights because they know it will just take too long 1v1.

    For mages, you don't use any combos at all (unless you are the HoX). Necromancers and Demonologist just click a spell and wait for it to complete then move to the next spell. With my Necromancer I send in my pets then rotate between 6-8 spells (depending on the situation). The HoX is not very mage like, it is basically an Assassin with magic instead of stealth. Unless specced, you will only use magic spells about 10-20% of the time. Mostly just melee combos (which do disturbing damage).

    But to get back to the original topic of Guardian vs Conqueror: Guardian is a tank while the Conqueror is an off tank with lots of group support.

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoopy View Post
    This is disturbingly incorrect in every aspect. Priest of Mitra is not Underpowered in the slightest. In fact the Priest of Mitra and the Tempest of Set are probably the most overpowered classes in the game in the game.

    The Priest of Mitra has very good crowd control (a low cooldown knockdown, a direct fear, etc) and has the best healing abilities. As far as damage, they are pretty good at that as well. I've seen a priest of Mitra run into a group of six, knock them down and AoE them all to death.

    I'd say the Bear Shaman is the most gimped out of the Priests.
    Yh, I posted this question a while back, and done quite a bit of research afterwards, and heard that the Bear Shaman has been magnificently gimped, because of the very fact that there are overpowered PoMs and ToS's running around, and everyone's complaining about "the priests," which mean the already balanced Bear Shamans are getting nerfed, along with the very powerful PoM and ToS.

    Apparently they don't do a huge load of damage, and are forced to melee among tanks, burst damagers and high DPSers, as they hardly have ranged attacks, and are forced to use melee attacks to heal. But the main problem is that their HP is staggeringly low (a Lvl 28 Guardian has more HP than a lvl 55 Bear Shaman, as does a lvl 50 demonologist - squishy).

    I also hear the PoM has great knockback and then can deal a decent amount of damage with AoE hits damage (as Zoopy's example demonstrated - although they're not great 1v1, but their AoE helps in PvE and groups), while almost everyone seems to think a ToS is the ownage class of the millennium due to huge AoE, high DPS and some mega heals.


    If I do get the game, I'm really not sure what to roll; I'll be trying out HoX, ToS, Demo, Ranger and maybe. Before I found out how many people were re-rolling ranger and ToS and how they are supposedly really overpowered, I was considering those two mainly because they had some pretty sweet feat trees, but now I know that they're pretty OP, it might ruin the game for me if I'm one of those so-called overpowered classes...plus I'll probably be constantly flamed and attacked by angry Assassins while I'm in the lower levels.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    Mate but you can get any class running into a group of 6 and wiping them all out if they are higher level.

    The point is, Priests of Mitra damage isnt that great, I mean seriously I fought them and Ive played with them in my group, the group gets wiped when priest of mitra is involved. Where as if we get a ToS we never get wiped, because ToS has better group support healing/protective buffs/spells. At least thats what I think. But they couldve changed that by now, since I am talking about lvl 30-50 here. Better to roll a ToS at this stage, but REMEMBER: AOE means nothing in PVE raids. Infact you shudnt even be attacking unless you are on a boss. The AOE and other attack spells are usefull for pvp and grinding.



    Also, guardian isnt nessesarily a tank, I can do a lot of DPS with my guardian as it is Tempest specced,a nd I can specc into not taking any aggro when fighting too. I use a polearm in frenzy stance, and with my aggro control fully specced I can deal out more dps than any other class in the game. When you think about how many combos I have, combined with the attack speed of my polearm which will crit every 2nd or 3rd hit, and the fact taht it is all AOE damage.

    Conquerors are great for group support, but when it comes to pvp it is purely outmached by the guiardian who holds a lot of advantages over him. When I fight a conqueror he has more tank than me, and I win flawlesly all the time, whne you pvp in any class you need to use your brain.

    Example: COnqueror uses combo on me, I double tap sideways, run in from behgind and unleash a quick combo on him, usually a DOT. By the time he finishes his own combo *which will not scratch me since he isnt facing me*, id have put a dot on him and hit him at least a couple times with a polearm in frenzy stance. He will be at least down 25% hp, and a dot on him, now all I do is outsmart him, KD and unleash a further combo, run around a bit and taunt him with my polearm by hitting him whisklt he cant reach me with his puny sword.

    He will be about 30% hp now, and all I got to do is stich to a normal stance and finish him 1 vs 1 because at that stage I will have better tank than him.


    This is all "Common Sense", all you need to do is think Analytically, imagine the situation, and loads of experience. Ive had many duels, with priests, necros etc. I can tell you that bear shamans are totaly crap at pvp at my level I flawlesly defeat them (they need to do DPS to heal themselves or suming silly, and all you got to do is evade their blows and hit thme with polearm - easy task),

    Priests of Mitra, man all I did was "Impale > KD > Combo > *priest tries to heal since he is at 20%* > follow up combo, AOE from impale stops > Priest heals again > another follow up combo, couple hits with polearm *at thsi stage priest attacks* > first combo recharges, him him with that, he tries to use a last heal, KD recharges and he is DEAD.

    Assasins: All you got to do is wait for the fools to use their combo's and evade them, at first they will have advantage on you and they will stun you and backstab you couple times so yuod be at 50% hp. After that its piece of cake, Impale the fool, KD and combo and he will die in his cloth armor.

    Getting ganked by higher levels: Swithc to defencive, ENDURING defence, and HOLD the LINE strat. The guardian at this stage receives a MASSIVE buff to defence, and can withstand a lot of damage, what you do is you KD the higher level, and simply wait for the idiot to do a couple of combos on you, sure he can get you down to 50% and waste all his mana/stamina, at which stage you will have a full bar, so all you do, is run with stam whilst the sucker is left behind with an empty one.


    This is "fighting through guardians eyes", this is what it is like to be a Tempest guardian, it takes a lot of micro management, timing and proficiency, because 90% of the time you are on frenzy and have cloth equivalent armor, so you have to learn to manage your stances and stategiems, and know when to attack, when to stay back etc.

    Also not that I am talking about lvl 50 here, as I am on a summer break atm. Now when the levels rise to 80, plate armor becomes available. Infact, many things become available, so who knows what can be achieved at higher levels.
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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    A Guardian can do practically the same damage with a Sword and Shield and take twice as many hits then with a polearm. I believe this is horribly broken, but I never see a Guardian with a Polearm past level 40.

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

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    Yh I don't think I'm getting this game. I finally finished exams yesterday, but I dunno, I've gone off the ideas, mainly because I was addicted to the game before I even bought it - looking up info and so much other stuff. I don't wanna know how I'll be if I actually get the game . Plus I don't have a very stable source of income, and i currently make a fair few payments, it would be much easier for me not to have the burden of paying the monthly fees for this.

    I may still drop by the forums and see what you guys are up to in terms of the city, endgame, battlekeeps, and the general size of the guild.

    Hope you guys have a ball with this

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    Re: Conqueror or Guardian?

    conqueror is fun to play i agree.

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