Thread: AA medals
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11-29-2005 06:20 PM #31
Re: AA medals
in my personal opinion this the most tactical game that TG has to offer..i could be wrong...i would like to rethink my initial reason for this post...with the group of guys and possible gals we play with....we know who can do what and who is good at what......in this small of venue i guess ribbons arent needed....
my disclaimer i hope i dont come accross as some one who thinks he is the best and better....i actually had to change my attitude before adding TG to my name.....i was a good BHD player..came here and wasnt even close....we dont need rules here in AA we all know the TG way and i see it everytime we play here.....
I was on the server the other night and some pubbies wherent playing by TG rules or ways...i was getting pissed....i think a few may have senced that.....
good gaming all....keep it upthat sounds like a good idea trooper.
-Vulcan
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11-29-2005 07:05 PM #32
Re: AA medals
The issue I have with squads is that if you aren't in one (in BF2), it's much more difficult to have a fun game. Many of the in-game squads are formed around the 7th, 2nd, 1337th, etc... if you're not in one of them, it's easy to feel excluded. That's why I joined the 1337th.
Originally Posted by Apophis
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Originally Posted by Apophis
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11-29-2005 07:10 PM #33
Re: AA medals
yah and if you would notice who started that thread........again me just babbling on and cuaseing problems....
that sounds like a good idea trooper.
-Vulcan
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11-29-2005 07:13 PM #34
Re: AA medals
That shouldn't be the case. I know when I play BF2 I never create a 42nd-only squad unless it's an actual practice or planned event. Restricting your play to only your own squad-mates helps foster that elitist impression that new players may get.
Originally Posted by MeanDrLily
We're all TG, we should be able to play with any of our members from any squad.
Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.
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11-29-2005 09:13 PM #35
Re: AA medals
Well unfortunately Apophis... that's not always the case...
I was big into BF2, heck thats what brought me into TG as a SM, but then the last few nights I played BF2, it was with members of one of those "extra" sections... It probably wasn't on purpose, but I was not part of there plan, was left when my assigned squad jumped in vehicles with them etc ect... the final straw was when I was asked to leave because I went to the center objective not knowing that it was pre-agreed not to...
I'm not crying in my beer, I got over it and went to play one of my many other great games, OFP and SWAT4, and now AA...
but thats why I personally don't want to see individual squads within AA... I prefer to keep it simple and fun... if you look at the BF2 and CounterStrike forums... those games have gotten so "controlled" some are leaving them because of the number of rules and procedures... I would hate to see AA turn that way, we don't have a big enough following to lose to many people.
(Just my opinion and observation, no disrespect to anyone, or any sub-group).
KISSMagnum
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11-29-2005 09:17 PM #36
Re: AA medals
one idea i just had....would you rather us 2nd members take our 2nd tag out of our login for AA...that way we wont have that problem...i would hate to deture anyone from playing becuase they see us all in there.....
that sounds like a good idea trooper.
-Vulcan
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11-29-2005 09:46 PM #37
Re: AA medals
OK, here we go off thread topic again. You guys should really start new threads....
Trooper, I don't think it should be about taking out the tags or removing squads! Squads are good for training units. Squads are good for small group comradery. Squads are good for inter-squad matches/scrims/practices. Squads are good to get to know a few players then more later rather than having to get to know everyone at once.
I don't know how long in house squads have been on TG. But It's the holier than thou/excusion attitude that needs to get put down and put down hard. Yeah maybe it starts with some friendly ribbing, but once it gets past that it becomes rotten apples. It's that kind of attitude that will kill a good thing. I'm very happy with my squad and squadmates thus far and have seen nothing but inclusive attitudes when it comes to non-official/pub play. And if I start seeing bad attitudes in the 2nd, you better know a mouthful is right around the corner!
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and just say, I don't want a couple bad apples to ruin a good thing. On the contrary, I want to know what can be done about those bad apples.
And as far as medals/ribbons, and I'm leaning with Magnum on this one, is to follow the KISS principle. IF they can be shown to have a net benefit for this community, and they can be implemented KISS style, then I'm all for it. But I haven't seen a good clean argument to show that the benefit of recognition will clearly outweigh the problems of alienation. And I haven't seen any logistical proposals. Maybe it's in the works by the powers that be, I dunno..









"The success of what we do depends upon people valuing the team over themselves."
- Wulfyn
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11-29-2005 11:24 PM #38
Re: AA medals
The TG squads are not factions... they're sections within the 'Tactical Gamer Armed Forces'. Just like the real life military, squads make up platoons, which make up companies, and so on. Generally squads don't have quite their own identity the way larger organizational units seem to do, but the scale of TG naturally compresses things. So each TG squad, though it develops and acquires its own SOP's, culture, etc that become characteristics of that unit, the end result (as evidenced in BF2, most especially in formal competitive scrims) is to bring all these units together in common purpose. And it works. Amazingly so in my view... the very reason TG has been so successful in that field. I have absolute confidence that the small unit training and cohesion built within each squad multiplies when combined with each other squad in battle. It's the achievement of the very goal for which TG squads are supported and encouraged.
However, these units *can* be intimidating to individuals who are unfamiliar them, or have had a negative experience. I can't speak for every TG squad here, but the 42nd endeavours to build teamwork whenever possible. We certainly are very selective about whom we evaluate, let alone invite into team *membership*. But we do not alienate non-members. This goes against our very mandate. We try to be as inclusive as possible, providing communication about objectives and SOP's as much as can be done on the fly. I for one hope to see the 42nd continue to share its collective experience, both real world and game world with members of the TG community. I would also hope that we would be fortunate enough to learn from fellow squads *and* individuals alike. *THIS* above all else is the greatest asset of TG... the community itself, regardless of grouping.
The 42nd and every squad in TG is expected to put TG first.
Hmmm... I see I went off on a bit of a speech there. My apologies. I just want to allay any misconceptions, or negative perceptions about the TG squad system. It really is a strengthening force, not a fracturing one. I would be deeply disappointed if squads had to downplay, let alone abandon their unit affiliation within any game.
Perhaps I have far too biased a view, seeing as I am speaking from a position in a long standing unit. I would hope that the 'outside' view isn't so far removed from how I would like us all to be seen.
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11-30-2005 01:12 AM #39
Re: AA medals
I don't think anyone needs to change or remove there tags in AA...
I understand the princible and purpose of the squads, exspecially since the shear number of regular TG members is so large.
I don't even mind seeing a group of squad members, say just for example the 42nd, team up either as a fireteam working together or as a whole, as long as they following the orders and directions of the assigned Squad Leader in game.
I just don't want to see squads playing there own games while ignoring others, exspecially other TG members, on there side... which I have seen in BF2.Magnum
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Thank you.
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11-30-2005 06:45 AM #40
Re: AA medals
Your concern about squads separating themselves from other players in game is very understandable, Magnum. That's not within TG principles in the first place, so it has no place in AA either. No different than a single player ignoring their whole team/CO.
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11-30-2005 04:37 PM #41
Re: AA medals
I agree, and have seen this occur. My question still remains, if you see this behavior taking place, what should you do?
Originally Posted by Magnum50
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"The success of what we do depends upon people valuing the team over themselves."
- Wulfyn
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11-30-2005 05:42 PM #42
Re: AA medals
If it is in BF2 contact Tempus, if it is here we can do something about it. I want this to be a fun experience for everyone. I want Perry back to, where is he hiding.
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
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11-30-2005 05:47 PM #43
Re: AA medals
You should PM the squad leader or go higher up if that's not satisfactory. Ignoring other players is against Teamwork in general and the creed of TG.
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02-25-2006 06:18 PM #44
Re: AA medals
That actually makes me wonder, do players bodies significantly block shrapnel? In other words, if you had gone prone on the nade, would that have further dampened its effects?
Originally Posted by perry

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02-26-2006 04:47 PM #45
Re: AA medals
Medals?! I don't need no stinking medals! I have the soot stains on my face from flashing myself many times over to prove I suck.
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