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11-04-2005, 07:21 PM #16
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Re: Ghosting
my opiinion, and now the offical RULE for the AA server...
(a copy paste from an IM between admins
If I understand correctly, TG has a universal death talk rule...
but no matter what... my opinion is that once you see that death message you can say "damn, I'm down" or something similar, but thats it. period.
So... let it be written, let it be read... IT IS LAW!
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11-05-2005, 02:09 AM #17
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roger that! I assume a death gargle is ok as well?
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11-05-2005, 02:52 AM #18
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Re: Ghosting
Yeah, we had those going well today.
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11-05-2005, 02:53 AM #19
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Re: Ghosting
I heard a few things that sounded like someone's mic had gone haywire... then I realized they were death gargle's
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11-05-2005, 11:57 AM #20
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I don't mean to stir the ****, by why the differing rulings/views from the higher-ups about voice comm 'I'm down' statements? Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
Mateo - Looked like an OK with it.
Wyzcrak - Straight up no go.
Root - No go, If you want realism.
Magnum + admin's PMed - OK with it.
Personally, I didn't really care if it was going to be allowed or not. But I wanted the AA players to be on the same page (to avoid the situation of some promoting it and some not).
But I'm a little startled over the inconsistency about this from 2 gaming officers, a veteran member, and the current AA admin. I'm also curious how the command structure works in regards to such rulings. Can veteran members make rulings like Wyz did? Are gaming officers the authority in this? Or the AA admin? Site admin? Is it game specific or do some titles cross games? No offense to anyone, I'm just new and I didn't find anything about command structure in the public or private official announcements forum..
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11-05-2005, 12:28 PM #21
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Magnum's the GO. His ruling goes.
The others are just coming from different standpoints: For some, an "I'm down" isn't breaching any area of information that the screen isn't already telling. For others, realism is key. For others still, the precedent that TG has set with its previous games dictates the thinking.
But, after saying all that: Magnum's the GO. His ruling goes.
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11-05-2005, 01:21 PM #22
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Having just come from the "Gentleman's Agreement" in BF2, I didn't want people getting confused about the rule, so that was my effort to set a standard until an AA admin (which I'm not) did so.
I'm disappointed Magnum allowed the death announcement, but that's the great thing about being GO: what you say goes. I'm sure I've disappointed plenty of people with decisions I've made in the past with NS. You win some, you lose some. That's just part of being a leader: you can't please everyone all the time. In fact, there's respect to be had for someone who can make such a decision so quickly despite not pleasing everyone, as it has to be done.
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11-05-2005, 01:27 PM #23
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where did you read I was OK with it?
I clearly stated NO... when you die, thats it. (6 post up)
as for the inconsistency between admins, i don't see that... we are all player admins... we haven't evoked any rules until just now, we were mearly debating it... us admins talk via IM alot...so were on the same sheet of music...
and that music is that the AA server is for TG to get together game the way it was meant to be by game design and proper military teamwork, and to have fun...
the server is open most of the time, with three nights coming for TG members only, (announcement coming soon), there are three admins, they will run the server the way they think is is best for TG keeping TG's purpose in mind... it isn't rocket science, it's a simple game server for playing a computer game... don't make it harder then it is... play on the server, play with who you like within or outside of TG, but just play...
UNDERSTAND, my goal is not to turn the AA server into the BF2 servers with all those rules and restrictions, (not complaining BF2 admins, lol, you run it the way you see best), play on the AA server how it was designed, thats the only rule with one or two exceptions that will be covered later.
any Q. feel free to ask any admin, either here or through IM.Magnum
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11-05-2005, 01:34 PM #24
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Allowing the death announcement offsets the fact that you can't see your buddy, or radio him virtually... but if your still talking with someone over teamspeak, how do you know your mic is working, they can hear you, they left for a pee, or if they just got booted or disconnected... "I'm OUT, I'm DEAD"... simply lets you know what, most likely you would know on the battlefield...
But like i said, I can change...if theres people wanting total death lock out and they out number the SM's that want it as it is, then it can be changed... if an admin is in charge for the evening/night...he could always implement any rule he feels fit to better the game play.Magnum
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11-05-2005, 01:53 PM #25
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Wait a second.... Originally Posted by Magnum50
I took that to mean you are OK with saying "I'm down" after you get killed. Originally Posted by Magnum50
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As for the confusion in authority, I guess what I was looking at was Wyzcraks "veteran member" insignia and I didn't see "gaming officer" so I was uncertain if he could make a ruling (even temporary)(thanks for stepping up BTW, just confused about the command structure). I guess it's kind of an unofficial you gotta know who's who thing? I didn't find any info on this in the forums. If gaming officers are the rulemakers I think Magnum should have a gaming officer logo for sure, and I noticed Wyz has NS gaming officer in his sig so he should have one as well. And I think it's ok for a gaming officer from another game to set up temp rulings until the GO of the particular game makes a decision. Also, are GOs and "admins" synonymous?
And Magnum, as for the less rules the better approach. Totally cool. It's just that ghosting is definately one thing to have a rule about. Other than that, I totally agree that AA doesn't need a lot of rules by the design of the game. Unlike say CS:S that needs to be heavily ruled in order to protect PCS play..
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11-05-2005, 02:41 PM #26
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yes I am, see above....
Sorry, must of wrote in in a confusing way... as happens with text writing. lolMagnum
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11-05-2005, 02:47 PM #27
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Roger that sir. As they say it is only through confusion that we can get to understanding. Not sure who "they" are but it sounds good.
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11-05-2005, 02:53 PM #28
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I fixed my tag. GOs and admins are game specific. I lay down the law in NS. I'm an admin in PCS and BF2. I'm just shmuck with an opinion in AA.
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11-05-2005, 03:04 PM #29
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Are GOs and Admins the same thing or are GOs > Admins?
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11-05-2005, 03:10 PM #30
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to finalize this... as of now you can say "I'm down" or "I'm dead"...
If you disagree bring it up with any AA admin and we will discuss it among ourselves for a change... if it is ever changed it will be pinned at the top of this forum.
I was asked to take over the AA server duties, so unless Apophis, or any other Staff Member of TG want it a certain way, then I will "obey commands"... thou I don't really know you Wyzcrak, you are the "tactical gamer officer", so above me in the "chain of command"... if you say no "I'm down" comments because of a long standing TG rule, then it will be come "law", Please IM me with your opinion on it.
Understand, I've only been with TG myself for about 4 months now... I don't know ALL the rules and in and outs of the system... if any SM, or TG officer has a problem with what I'm doing, please IM me, so it isn't public laundry, causing confusion among our members like Sloppy Joe stated above.
Thanks again gamers, admins, and staff.
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http://www.tacticalgamer.com/showthread.php?t=61287Last edited by Magnum50; 11-05-2005 at 03:23 PM. Reason: added link
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