Magnum50

I'm not a big fan of this map... IMO it's a map that favors the better gamer, not the best tactics... who shoots faster and straighter usually wins....

You can't flank or out manuever... about the only thing to do on offense is a big bounding over watch... where one team goes high and covers far and reports on contacts the other 2 teams go bounding overwatch down the middle with smoke, nades, and bangs.... Defense is easier, especially after you learn how the enemy does it because tactics can't be changed much on such a tight map.

Well anyway... till we get our own private forum on tactical conflict or something... we still need to discuss the plan... here is the map for bridge, both offense and defense... give feedback and idea's in this one thread for this map... feel free to download the map, edit it with graphics or a plan, then upload and link your idea...

Also might be a nice idea for someone to find out the web site of the persons were going against, and do some "recon" action into what they may do, or how they like to play.


Briefing:

Bridge Crossing

Weapons:
M16A2, M203, M249, M24, M82, frag grenades, smoke grenades and stun grenades.

Mission Type:
Live Fire.

Version Deployment:
America's Army: Recon (v1.0)

Spawn Points:
26

Description:
On this map, elements of the 172d Separate Brigade find themselves on a bridge. Hostile forces are in the area. The bridge is the only route, therefore you must fight in confined spaces. Be careful of blindly throwing hand grenades as you may injure your teammates. Each side of the bridge has a catwalk. They are accessible, however care must be taken since it is a long drop to the bottom, and you are not equipped with a parachute. Available weapons are the M16A2, M249, M203, M24\, and M82. You will also be equipped with frag grenades, stun grenades and smoke grenades.



Assault Briefing

Situation:
Enemy forces posing as refugees have attacked the U.S. forces defending the bridge at grid WS663429. Your squad, returning from patrol, is now on the hostile side of the bridge, and must link up with company HQ to pass along time-sensitive information.

Rules of Engagement:
Positive ID of hostile forces is required due to presence of refugees in the area. Minimize damage to bridge.

Mission:
Your squad must pass vital intel to company HQ located at grid WS763529 on the east side of bridge.

Enemy:
Enemy consists of a squad-sized element with advanced marksmanship team.

Friendly:
One infantry squad of the 1st Battalion, 32d Infantry Regiment with advanced marksmanship team.

Terrain:
High-altitude stone bridge provides the only passable route to the east. Adverse weather conditions prevent close air support. Bridge towers constitute key terrain.






Defense Briefing

Situation:
Ongoing operations have your platoon occupying the bridge at grid WS663429, which is vital to UNHCR relief operations. Recent attacks by the enemy have forced the platoon to begin movement to more defensible positions east of the bridge. Your squad was ordered to delay the enemy until the reaction force arrives.

Rules of Engagement:
Minimize damage to bridge.

Mission:
Squad must prevent enemy forces from crossing the bridge at grid WS663429 for as long as possible.

Enemy:
Squad-sized force armed with advanced marksmanship team.

Friendly:
One infantry squad of the 2d Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment with advanced marksmanship team.

Terrain:
High-altitude stone bridge spanning a mountain chasm. Adverse weather conditions prevent air support. Bridge towers constitute key terrain.

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Mateo

This map really comes down to who is the better shot. Even without sniper rifles, the overwatch positions turns the center of the bridge into a duck shoot.

We had some success on this map as assaulting team by running bait up the middle, and sending the bulk of the team through the hills South to prevent the snipers from positioning.

Turbo

We were playing Bridge SE, not Bridge. The only across is the bridge.

perry

Are you talking Wednesday night, Mateo? If so, we were playing Bridge Crossing SE which opens up a lot more space on the map. In plain ole Bridge Crossing, all you can do is go straight across the bridge, and the fog really hides anything much past half a bridge distance (i.e. you can see from the assault tower to the center arch).

Experienced bridge players have practiced pixel aimed shots.. 203 dropshots from behind / inside the assault tower to defensive positions on the hill in the defense tower. Some people even practice pixel aimed sniper shots.. They can blindly snipe from the assault tower and hit people on the defense tower stairs by counting bricks and knowing where the shot will land. Cheap, but quite effective. If this clan you guys are playing have experienced bridge players, then you guys will need to watch out for this. (Last I played this map was in 2.3, so things may have changed, but if any of this stuff is still possible, people will be still using it.)

Like Magnum said, this map really comes down to who is the better shot. Smoke and flashbangs can help create some surprise, but because of the limited smoke, you really end up broadcasting your position and your intention to move. You better believe that the enemy SAW will start concentrating fire on that smoke. There is some cover on the bridge - wrecked cars and stuff, but you become super exposed as soon as you leave it. Someone will probably see you moving up to it and will be waiting on you to poke your head out.

Turbo

That's the map they play so I guess we will have to watch out for those things.

FriedFish

So have we determined if we're going to play both sides or will we be picking a side?

Mateo

There are 2 bridge maps? Sorry, my bad.

perry

Heh, Bridge is like a whole sub-culture within AA.. Check out this thread for some tips on avoiding the 203 spam. I think the best idea is to probably count the 203 shots that you hear going off. If you know there's been 5 fired, you'd better watch yourself. There's tons of other threads in there on Bridge.

This shows you what I was talking about for the snipers. See the lengths some people will go to? His link at the bottom to bridge tactics also has some good info to keep in mind when playing.

Turbo

We will be switching sides so we will be assaulting and defending. We will need strategies for both.

SloppyJoe

Another important factor, how many players per side. This determines what weapons we actually can use.

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Mateo

I haven't played the map, but this looks to be one where we can use bounding overwatch to our advantage. You guys have covered that before, right?

We break into 2 fireteams: A and B.

Team A would consist of a M16a2s, m203s, and a SAW.
Team B would have the snipers, a second SAW, and the remainder of the 203 team.

On Assault:

A makes a break for the 1st car, under the cover fire of B. Then B converges on A's position. Once B is set, A makes for the next cover position.

Pros: every target gets fire from more than one position....noone advances without cover fire.

Cons: requires precision and communication.....requires consistent motion to be effective.

On defense:

Same idea. Once both teams set, and we start taking losses, we make a slow staggered retreat back to the Assault Objective.

Pros: we don't all die in a grenade spam assault, making it possible to defend the objective.....we can limit our exposure to the assault by keeping only part of the squad engaged at any time.

Cons: again, requires coordination.....needs defined fallback postions.....retreat sucks.

Redleg75

I agree with Magnum. Defense clearly has the advantage of position and time.
How much time will we be playing with? 5mins 10 mins?

I have played this map a lot. I am not sure if the bounding over watch, cover fire, etc. will work well on assault. If you stay still long on assault you will be naded quick.

On assault smoke, move, nade, smoke, and move some more. Get in their face and don't let them get setup. Don't go down the middle unless there is smoke covering. Use the side lower ledges to get behind them. Keep moving and don't bunch up. Move , Move , Move.
Many would call this "rush" but it works more than a slow nade catching special-ed creep up the bridge.

On def it is simple, cover all areas sit and wait, boring but it works.

Most servers I have played on don't allow grenade spamming or just blindly firing the SAWs down the middle. I would assume we wouldn't, but the same debate is on for BF2 during scrims.

It will be fun whatever happens :-)

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Magnum50

SM please see this thread in our tactics forum:

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/members...iscussion.html

you can then share it with members that play AA with us but are not SM's either privately or through IM's.

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