Dows first come first served prevail?

[SAITCHO]

More and more I see people creating Hind or chopper squads and locking them after two people joined. Do they have priority on the assets or does the first come first served prevail, then it switch on each one his turn?

[[tR]Greasy_mullet]

I thought we had to share. If there is just one helo on a map and we have 5-6 people who would like to fly at some point in the round, it would not be in the best interest of the team to have all of them in the Helo squad just to wait their turn would it?

[FBmantis]

This is a tricky subject...especially in PR land where the high vehicle spawn times negate the typical easy to pick up and play vanilla feel.

We enforce maturity, teamwork(or lack there of) and chain of command. We are not going to babysit airfields and enforce a line system. So while vehicles are first come first serve these aspects of TG do come into play. Examples of what I mean:

- Consistently denying friendly requests to take turns/share. This is a maturity problem.
- Commanders have full control of their team. If the CO wants something done in regards to these asset squads or the players using them...you need to comply. You can request a different order but at the end of the day he is the boss.

As far as naming asset squads. This of course does not reserve you the right to the asset...the last thing we are going to do is get into arguments over who named their squad first. The maturity level drops when we start down that path. When you name your squad Air or whatever it announces your desire to use it and allows players with similar interests to join together for communication and teamwork.

Locking asset squads? While it would be ideal to never lock a squad I certainly understand why it is done. Communications need to be clear and you don't want random people joining your squad to lonewolf under you.

Just know if you run an asset squad you need to be doing the following:

- Purging lonewolfs who show no desire to participate in the asset. It may be an air squad but you are still a squad leader...if you can not lead members of your squad then remove them. Get these players into other squads where they can be utilized better through the chain of command. Imagine a situation where its Rolling Thunder 32 and we have a 6 man Eurotiger squad where 4 players are just doing whatever...this is not what we want. It severly handicaps the chain of command and your team is guaranteed to suffer.

- If you lock an air squad you need to be inviting those interested in joining/sharing with you. Again...not locking would be a better approach but if you are going to lock it then keep the door open to other interested players through invites. A closed door entitlement viewpoint is not the approach anyone should be taking.

Overall I can not stress enough that keeping things mature and friendly goes a LONG way. Don't play the E game...don't start whining at someone who jumped in the gunner seat once...never ever TK. You can see how this works when players TK for vehicles...next thing that happens is the player that was TKed returns the favor. This mindset will translate to whatever approach you take. If you claim ownership and play the E game you will receive a similarly negative approach from the other participants. Instead make friendly requests and let people waiting on the pad take the next spawn and the favors will usually be returned in kind.

[Namebot]

I find the key thing is communication. If someone has been using an asset repeatedly and you want to use it, communicating that rather than just running up to the spawn point seems to work better for me. Also the fact that players are willing to share assets seems to surprise a lot of the newer players who are sometimes skeptical at first. It might be necessary to convince them that people do indeed share assets on our server rather than mashing buttons. It is a bit hard to condemn them when you take a second to realize what they are coming from and what that makes them expect. Some nights it is going to be tough and may make you lose some rounds. Hopefully though, the communication with the uninitiated convinces them and we end up with a better community.

[Iamthefallen]

A simple "Don't steal assets, please join the jets squad if you want to fly" is usually enough.

I will typically lock an asset squad when all the seats are filled before map start. This way most of the ones that are just looking for a squad, any squad, will join one of the other mixed squads. A minute into the map I unlock the squad again, opening it up to those who actually want to use the asset.

[Braidedheadman]

I've flown my fair share of air sorties in everthing from transport choppers to the single-seat fighters and can't say that I've had very many problems with people stealing access to them from me. However, I feel that was due largely to the fact that I make it clear from the start that I am more than willing to take turns with people who are queued up at the pad with me, often letting people have "the first turn" as a show of good faith.

Very rarely have I met up with people who are unwilling to reciprocate when "my turn" comes around. When flying a two-seat bomber or attack chopper, for instance, something as simple as, "Do you want to take turns flying, dude?" and making sure that I don't seem like I'm racing to hop into the top seat once we crash and burn goes a long, long way toward establishing an amicable relationship of trust with one's co-pilots and those in one's squad waiting their turn.

Also, while I do run locked air-specific squads for clarity in communications purposes, I've found that being proactive about inviting people to fill co-pilot seats adds to one's credibility in the sharing game. If I don't have a co-pilot for a two-seater, I sit tight on the runway/pad and text the team with invites for a co-pilot, which establishes my desire to play as a team, not just another l33t jet jockey d00d.

For my part, I believe that fair play has to start somewhere, so it might as well start with me and have found that the vast majority of people are more than willing to toe the line once it's drawn.

[gijoe]

There comes a point in time where i just dont care anymore. If someone has a CAS squad on Kashan or something and you dont get in, deal with it. Dont be an asshat and steal it at the beginning, reguardless you may be better then the CAS squad at flying. If your better, let them practice, find a different squad. On Qwai when i dont get to fly i TOW, if i cant tow i APC, there are a TON of different things you can do instead.

And people that steal the helis after being told by commander to put em away get kicked/banned. Then they go onto other servers and say bad things about us like were too strickt and we are a bunch of stiffs. I have heard and seen them say these things. And then you ask em what did you do? They say " o i got banned for stealing a helicopter".......well theres your problem...

You know?

[Rick_Slick]

Originally Posted by Braidedheadman

I am more than willing to take turns with people who are queued up at the pad with me, often letting people have "the first turn" as a show of good faith.

That's because he knows the chopper will respawn about 30 seconds after I take off with it.

[Braidedheadman]

Yeah, I can always count on Rick to do me the courtesy of ending his turn quickly. Thanks, buddy!

[Rick_Slick]

It comes as more of a surprise to whatever poor SOB jumps in to be my gunner.

[[tR]Greasy_mullet]

Originally Posted by Rick_Slick

It comes as more of a surprise to whatever poor SOB jumps in to be my gunner.

They are still scrapping off grease from the trees near take off on Rolling Thunder.

[WhiskeySix]

Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

They are still scrapping off grease from the trees near take off on Rolling Thunder.

that's not grease

[the7thguest]

I would recommend no armed weapons and no vehicles for SAITCHO at all, he hits way to good with anything.... SAITCHO 1km away from me? I only hear a shhhhhhhhot, 2 secs later I am dead, headshot with a pistol...

I hate you

Feel free to hear the ironic sound while reading my text ;-)


Regards
Seven

[SAITCHO]

Gotta love my pistol cheat...now if it could work with everything else....