Camping of uncapturable bases is prohibited

[Nigelbland]

Hi, I'm new to Battlefield, never had the PC to run the old version.
Wanting to play a more serious game with squads etc.. I joined your server and had the best games of the demo I've had since its release.

However I was just curious over your server rule: Camping of uncapturable bases is prohibited.

I imagine that this is regarding the airfield and carrier. Not that I'm wanting to push the rules I'm just wanting to understand exactly whats meant.

If I parachuted onto the carrier and then attacked and managed to stay alive for a period of time, is that:Camping of uncapturable bases

Or if I hid in the deck where the boats spawn and attacked as people came down the stairs.

Or if all the bases have been captured by the US and then attacking the airfield to suppress the MEC and as a sniper I sit firing on the airfield in the same position for a long time.

Sorry if I'm stated the obvious I'm new to this type of game and its play mechanics, just want to understand the rules on the server.

Thanks

Nigel

[Arf]

The spirit of the rule is to allow players a fair chance to fight back. If you're ever just linning your cross-hairs up with spawn points and then mowing down everyone who spawns it's going to be considered camping.

Tempus is the BF:2 Game Oficer, you should give him a PM for specific questions about the grey areas.

[Nigelbland]

Thanks for the reply, that makes it clear, thanks

Nigel

[Arf]

np, but just so we're on the same page, pushing the rules is frowned upon and trying to lawyer into technicalities isn't going to work so if you have questions you really should PM the admin

[Tempus]

There are many objectives in this game, but none of them are centered around just racking up kills. There are flags to take, flags to hold, bridges to destroy, arty to repair, etc. Sitting in a base that has no strategic value while picking off spawners is doing little other than turning the game into a fragfest.

Players are allowed to enter UCBs to destroy command structures, but that should be their sole purpose and once that is achieved, there are other objectives to be completed.

Hopefully you can see why we frown upon any action that resembles Quake.

[Pokerface]

Originally Posted by Tempus

Players are allowed to enter UCBs to destroy command structures, but that should be their sole purpose and once that is achieved, there are other objectives to be completed.

It is (IMO) in a team's best interest not just to destroy command structures, but to keep them destroyed as well.

[CingularDuality]

Originally Posted by Pokerface

It is (IMO) in a team's best interest not just to destroy command structures, but to keep them destroyed as well.

Yes, but taking advantage of the fact that a squad has just spawned in front of you and is disoriented as you mow them down with a machine gun is just cheezy and not allowed here. If your squad has the discipline to camp the command structures without taking advantage of mowing down just-spawned enemy, then I don't think anyone will have a problem with your tactics. It's a fine line, though...

Again, though, this is why defense is going to be SO important in this game. Losing your UAVs or artillery hurts. A lot.

[SmokingTarpan]

The few times I've been given a mission to destroy enemy infrastructure at the MEC base, I've always given express orders not to engage anyone that isn't actively defending the targets. Basically, do not fire unless fired upon. When the targets were destroyed, we pulled back off to the side and waited for new orders, and didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't coming after us.

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

The few times I've been given a mission to destroy enemy infrastructure at the MEC base, I've always given express orders not to engage anyone that isn't actively defending the targets. Basically, do not fire unless fired upon. When the targets were destroyed, we pulled back off to the side and waited for new orders, and didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't coming after us.

I think that is the compromise that makes sense.

I'm more for the tactical airstrike, assuming the commander orders one, to destroy tactical assets, but I understand the need to do it on foot. That's what Special Forces are for, right?

The downside is that fragmonkeys see that as an opportunity to grab an Abrams, park it in the UCB, and mow down everything that moves in the name of eliminating Radar or artillery. That's not cool.

I agree, I don't think it's cool to linger in the UCB, padding your kills. Eliminate the target, get the heck out seems the best way.

[Wyzcrak]

"don't fire until fired upon"

I agree with that only if you can maintain stealth for the duration of the attack. If you can't (more likely, given my limited experience in BF2), then you'd better kill them before they kill you.

You're going into enemy territory. Not only are you likely outnumbered, but, per the game's design, soldiers can literally appear out of mid-air at a moment's notice. If, at ANY time, you're shooting people that you don't think you have to remove (kill or otherwise) to complete your rules-authorized task, you're out of bounds. Otherwise, kill the poor bastards and complete your commander's orders

A reminder, good people:

Our server rule presently stands as follows (see BF2 Announcements forum): 2) Camping of uncapturable bases is prohibited.

If that never changes, you're not to stay in a UCB once you destroy what you came to destroy -- you're to leave.

[Karkianman101]

What about setting up artillery with c4 and then waiting until it starts firing to blow it? and then keeping it disabled as long as possible?

[Pokerface]

Originally Posted by Karkianman101

What about setting up artillery with c4 and then waiting until it starts firing to blow it? and then keeping it disabled as long as possible?

Letting it fire is dumb. The idea is to NOT have shells raining down on your teammates. Camping the hell out of something that can tear apart a falg defense in 15 seconds is a really good idea in my book.