Another Kind of IFF Bug?

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 07-13-2005, 08:22 AM

Ok, I pop over a hill and I see this sniper laying there. His name is fragg and his name is red. So I open up and he dies and then I am punished for team kill. “Crap, stupid bug.”

A couple of minutes later I see him again, his name is red again. I look a bit closer and he LOOKS like a MEC (I am on USMC). I think “must have switched sides” and I pop him. Another TK. “Crap Crap Crap”.

Another round and I have switched to the MEC (I like being the underdog). I see this other guy named “killSwitch” or something and his IFF is red. I kill him and get a TK. He shows up again and is to far away to ID by sight so I hit tab and he is listed on the USMC side. Not only that but he is clearly advancing towards our base and is firing upon my squad mates. So I take a chance and shoot, and get a TK.

“Crap Crap Crap Crap Crappity Crap Crap”

Has this happened to anybody else?

**asch** · 07-13-2005, 08:26 AM

I think several people have mentioned that all of their teammates show up in red. I'm not sure if restarting the game / computer helps to alleviate the problem though.

**Pokerface** · 07-13-2005, 08:40 AM

The IFF issues with this game ASTOUND me. At this point, I'm willing to believe just about any horror story about them people can think up.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 07-13-2005, 08:41 AM

Yea, I have had the teammates show up in read thing before.

But I have never seen it where the player is listed on the opposing side on the score screen AND shows up red AND gives me a team kill.

I should of also mentioned I opened up the squad screen and looked through all our squads and he wasn't there either.

Bommando · 07-13-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

But I have never seen it where the player is listed on the opposing side on the score screen AND shows up red AND gives me a team kill.

I should of also mentioned I opened up the squad screen and looked through all our squads and he wasn't there either.

You are not alone. I whined about this a couple of days ago. I shot Raub in the back since he was red, he shouted over VOIP "why the hell do you keep TKing me?". My heart sank and I checked the squad make-up. We had 6 squad members and he wasn't listed as one of them. The kill message didn't even state it was a teamkill.

Crappity crap indeed.

While I was CO, I found another interesting bug. One of our team members started showing up as a red blip on my scans, but was also showing up as a SL when I was assigning waypoints. I could give him orders and everything worked fine, but he was a red blip. He kept getting TKd too until he disconnected and re-connected again.

Crap bug. Needs fixing. Yes.

SmokingTarpan · 07-13-2005, 09:10 AM

I had a 7-man squad once, and one of the guys was actually on the other team. Name showed up in green, was in the squad list and everything. He kept killing me, and I kept yelling at him to knock off the TK. Someone finally said that he was on the other team. It was real strange, as he even showed up as a green dot on my map.

|TG| B · 07-13-2005, 09:16 AM

Yeaaah... I myself had that incident too...

Mine was not as weird... but my guys kept killing some guy in red and he kept spawn beside me. I was shocked and asked on VOIP "Knox r u in my squad?" and he says "Yes, why u hate me?" lolololol. But he did not show up in the list of my squaddies.

**asch** · 07-13-2005, 10:08 AM

What I find amazing is that something that has been around in games for a while (the tags above a players head) is something that screwed up. It's not like they were building something new with this feature. Simply amazing.

morose · 07-13-2005, 10:48 AM

The question is, is this something that is handled via the Python scripts? If so, should I start looking around for the bugs that might be causing this? If EA isn't going to fix it, no reason I can't try.

JMJ · 07-13-2005, 11:04 AM

I can't believe they didn't address this in the first patch. That absolutely ASTOUNDS me! I can actually handle the occassional CTD, but this bug really sucks. I tend to forgive most TK's because I don't know if people have this bug or not....I know I've killed a few because of it. I find it so hard to believe that they never saw this in beta testing

**RandomGuy** · 07-13-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by asch

What I find amazing is that something that has been around in games for a while (the tags above a players head) is something that screwed up. It's not like they were building something new with this feature. Simply amazing.

Recent events reveal that they didn't even put a timeout into opening the connection to the account server. How's that for amazing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by morose

The question is, is this something that is handled via the Python scripts? If so, should I start looking around for the bugs that might be causing this? If EA isn't going to fix it, no reason I can't try.

Having not looked into this at all, I'd say that you probably can't change basic engine stuff with server scripts and if you could, you wouldn't want to.

morose · 07-13-2005, 11:20 AM

Thats the question though... is it a basic engine problem, or part of the "moddable" code they included in the Python scripts? Going to look into this sometime this week just out of curiousity.

Telorn · 07-13-2005, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asch

What I find amazing is that something that has been around in games for a while (the tags above a players head) is something that screwed up. It's not like they were building something new with this feature. Simply amazing.

It isn't the fact that they screwed up on trying to figure out how to do it. They just messed up on some coding somewhere which left a loop hole for this to occur. That and I'm sure the huge EA company had their balls in a vice grip to get this game out.

**RandomGuy** · 07-13-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by morose

Thats the question though... is it a basic engine problem, or part of the "moddable" code they included in the Python scripts? Going to look into this sometime this week just out of curiousity.

Consider how often the routine is run.

**Pokerface** · 07-13-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by morose

Thats the question though... is it a basic engine problem, or part of the "moddable" code they included in the Python scripts? Going to look into this sometime this week just out of curiousity.

Nothing I've seen suggests any IFF things are part of the moddable elements. If anything, they're slave to them; red IFF means that it triggers TK punishing, which in turn means that to the Python code you're part of the other team for the getTeam() command.

There MIGHT be something to turn IFF off or whatnot, but that wouldn't solve the underlying issue, just a symptom.

07-13-2005, 08:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,329	Another Kind of IFF Bug? Ok, I pop over a hill and I see this sniper laying there. His name is fragg and his name is red. So I open up and he dies and then I am punished for team kill. “Crap, stupid bug.” A couple of minutes later I see him again, his name is red again. I look a bit closer and he LOOKS like a MEC (I am on USMC). I think “must have switched sides” and I pop him. Another TK. “Crap Crap Crap”. Another round and I have switched to the MEC (I like being the underdog). I see this other guy named “killSwitch” or something and his IFF is red. I kill him and get a TK. He shows up again and is to far away to ID by sight so I hit tab and he is listed on the USMC side. Not only that but he is clearly advancing towards our base and is firing upon my squad mates. So I take a chance and shoot, and get a TK. “Crap Crap Crap Crap Crappity Crap Crap” Has this happened to anybody else?

07-13-2005, 08:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,763	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? I think several people have mentioned that all of their teammates show up in red. I'm not sure if restarting the game / computer helps to alleviate the problem though. __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

07-13-2005, 08:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? The IFF issues with this game ASTOUND me. At this point, I'm willing to believe just about any horror story about them people can think up. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

07-13-2005, 08:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,329	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? Yea, I have had the teammates show up in read thing before. But I have never seen it where the player is listed on the opposing side on the score screen AND shows up red AND gives me a team kill. I should of also mentioned I opened up the squad screen and looked through all our squads and he wasn't there either.

07-13-2005, 09:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
SmokingTarpan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,445	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? I had a 7-man squad once, and one of the guys was actually on the other team. Name showed up in green, was in the squad list and everything. He kept killing me, and I kept yelling at him to knock off the TK. Someone finally said that he was on the other team. It was real strange, as he even showed up as a green dot on my map.

07-13-2005, 09:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
\|TG\| B Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 726	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? Yeaaah... I myself had that incident too... Mine was not as weird... but my guys kept killing some guy in red and he kept spawn beside me. I was shocked and asked on VOIP "Knox r u in my squad?" and he says "Yes, why u hate me?" lolololol. But he did not show up in the list of my squaddies.

07-13-2005, 10:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,763	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? What I find amazing is that something that has been around in games for a while (the tags above a players head) is something that screwed up. It's not like they were building something new with this feature. Simply amazing. __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

07-13-2005, 10:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
morose Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE Age: 32 Posts: 161	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? The question is, is this something that is handled via the Python scripts? If so, should I start looking around for the bugs that might be causing this? If EA isn't going to fix it, no reason I can't try. __________________ "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

07-13-2005, 11:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
JMJ Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 4,074	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? I can't believe they didn't address this in the first patch. That absolutely ASTOUNDS me! I can actually handle the occassional CTD, but this bug really sucks. I tend to forgive most TK's because I don't know if people have this bug or not....I know I've killed a few because of it. I find it so hard to believe that they never saw this in beta testing

07-13-2005, 11:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
morose Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE Age: 32 Posts: 161	Re: Another Kind of IFF Bug? Thats the question though... is it a basic engine problem, or part of the "moddable" code they included in the Python scripts? Going to look into this sometime this week just out of curiousity. __________________ "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

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