Looking for map makers

**asch** · 08-30-2005, 02:41 PM

I created a few maps for the BFV game a while back and wanted to get back into it for BF2. I wanted to put together a small team to create these maps. These maps would be made with TG in mind. We want to promote maps that require strategy & tactics & teamwork, none of the silly air only, armor only, stunt, etc. maps.

These would be something that we would could host on our servers and make them public for other servers.

So I'm looking for folks who have an interest in at least one of the following...

1) Map layout
2) Map design (visually appealing)
3) Map testers

And if it's possible to create custom models / skins within maps...

a) Object modellers
b) Skinners

I would want these maps to work on the standard BF2 servers. I'm not looking to create a full mod that changes physics, game dynamics, etc.

Turbo · 08-30-2005, 03:06 PM

Asch, I am up for layout and testing. I tried my hand at making a map but dont have enough time with school. I would be glad to help out with the layout and testing though.

Gordy77 · 08-30-2005, 03:24 PM

Asch I can help out with whatever is needed(dunno about modeling). Been workin abit with the map editor and stuff but I am willing to submit ideas, test, and help make some of these maps. Might take a little time im new to it but with help it cuold go faster. Just keep me in mind.

Syphonist · 08-30-2005, 03:34 PM

I can help with Layout/Design/Testing.

Just say what you need.

**asch** · 08-30-2005, 04:56 PM

I've started a wiki so I can start laying down some ideas. Feel free to check it out.

jacat · 08-31-2005, 02:49 PM

awesome idea. i'm up for modelling although i have to warn you, i MUST, SIMPLY MUST have evian in my trailer, or i'll walk.

one thing i'd like to see is an "offense vs defense" map. this would be some sort of cappable base surrounded by forest/desert/cover. the main idea is the defensive team wouldn't have to go out and cap bases, only defend 1 or 2 within the main base.

i'm imagining some sort of compound in which the USMC has setup a base of operations. using the karkand environment and models, i'd place a group of hotel-like buildings in the center, surrounded by concrete barriers, guard towers, smaller bunkers, the chow hall, etc. chokepoints could include a front gate, delivery gate, holes in the chainlink or perhaps a large gaping (and still smoking) crater somewhere on the perimeter.

anyone remember or been to the "Khobar Towers" in Saudi Arabia? i spent a great deal of time there drawing out base defense SOP's (for fun) and really think it would be a fun map.

and can i just say that this is my 12th post?

icky · 08-31-2005, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacat

awesome idea. i'm up for modelling although i have to warn you, i MUST, SIMPLY MUST have evian in my trailer, or i'll walk.

Would you settle for a canteen of warm swamp water in your urine-scented bunker?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacat

one thing i'd like to see is an "offense vs defense" map. this would be some sort of cappable base surrounded by forest/desert/cover. the main idea is the defensive team wouldn't have to go out and cap bases, only defend 1 or 2 within the main base.

i'm imagining some sort of compound in which the USMC has setup a base of operations. using the karkand environment and models, i'd place a group of hotel-like buildings in the center, surrounded by concrete barriers, guard towers, smaller bunkers, the chow hall, etc. chokepoints could include a front gate, delivery gate, holes in the chainlink or perhaps a large gaping (and still smoking) crater somewhere on the perimeter.

I really like this idea. I am thinking a large map with MEC having one or two UCB's, and the USMC having a compound with 1 or 2 CP's within...

Asch, sign me up! I have done a little bit of map editing, and I want to get into it some more. I can't think of a better way to spend my non-BF2-playing time.

**asch** · 08-31-2005, 03:25 PM

Check out the wiki and I'll add some areas for us to start brainstorming.

http://www.tacticalwiki.com/index.ph...TG_Custom_Maps

Turbo · 08-31-2005, 03:32 PM

Ill take a case of Newcastle and im good to go.

Hey Jacat check out this thread http://www.tacticalgamer.com/poll.ph...lts&pollid=232 it will give you an idea of what people like in a map.

Turbo · 08-31-2005, 03:49 PM

Asch I posted something at tacticalwiki could you tell me if I did it right. I have never used tacticalwiki before.

jacat · 08-31-2005, 03:59 PM

asch: i'm going to start learning the map editor. i think using existing models from the current bf2 resources is a better start, for me anyway. perhaps the wiki could have a "maps under construction" section? sign me up for "Khobar Towers" map. i've thought it over and feel that it would be a fitting tribute to the 19 airmen and soldiers killed by that truck bomb; permitting USMC players some virtual payback.

turbo: thanks for the link, lots of good information there

i agree with all of the points listed in the poll, and think the proper approach is to first create the rough map, play it a few times, then refine and repeat. the benefit of this approach is that a more realistic map would reveal natural chokepoints, instead of engineering the perfect level playing field. as in war, troops adapt to their surroundings.

for example, lets imagine together an empty parking lot surrounded by chain link on the edge of a housing complex. one or two holes may exist in the fence, but you'd be foolish to run up to them in the open. a couple of snipers could be left to watch that spot or spots, preventing opfor from penetrating. now, as a map designer, i could put a couple of barrels or burning hummers to provide cover to the fence holes. to make it more "fair". but why do that? we all know that unconventional tactics can work. now imagine two FULL hummers come speeding through the parking lot, 50 cals blazing, smoke bombs... squads exit the hummers, provide covering fire from behind the hummers pinning down the snipers while a few squadmates slip through the hole. once inside, they find cover behind concrete barriers... and so on. which option would be more fun? EITHER. it comes down to teamwork, execution of a plan, luck and a thousand other variables which are constantly changing and evolving.

also, i'd place the artillery assets next to the enemy spawn. why? because i hate artillery.

Turbo · 08-31-2005, 04:08 PM

I was thinking something like Zatar Wetland on half the map rolling up into a city controlled by the MEC. Half Wetland's half Karkand so we could get a good variety of situations. Since most people like CQC I think we need to have some fierce choke points in the city to set up ambushes on convoys.

Trooper · 08-31-2005, 04:40 PM

id be more then happy to test...i got a rig set up and can do all that...let me know

jacat · 08-31-2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo

I was thinking something like Zatar Wetland on half the map rolling up into a city controlled by the MEC. Half Wetland's half Karkand so we could get a good variety of situations. Since most people like CQC I think we need to have some fierce choke points in the city to set up ambushes on convoys.

i agree but was thinking more like 10% Zatar, 90% Karkand. i think the majority of people like city maps because of the close quarters. again, i think that chokepoints will naturally occur no matter if they are artificially introduced/designed or just left to materialize within the flow of battle. i prefer the natural ones, as tactics can change the meaning or importance of a certain location within different situations.

icky · 08-31-2005, 07:11 PM

I just had a thought which might be helpful for deciding where to go with this. We have a handy-dandy ATC server available. Do we have a way to upload sketches so that we can load them into ATC? We could load them up from the "Custom" section of the maps, then we could discuss the thoughts we have with some pictures.

I think Apophis might be able to make this possible for us. That would be very cool.

08-30-2005, 02:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,834	Looking for map makers I created a few maps for the BFV game a while back and wanted to get back into it for BF2. I wanted to put together a small team to create these maps. These maps would be made with TG in mind. We want to promote maps that require strategy & tactics & teamwork, none of the silly air only, armor only, stunt, etc. maps. These would be something that we would could host on our servers and make them public for other servers. So I'm looking for folks who have an interest in at least one of the following... 1) Map layout 2) Map design (visually appealing) 3) Map testers And if it's possible to create custom models / skins within maps... a) Object modellers b) Skinners I would want these maps to work on the standard BF2 servers. I'm not looking to create a full mod that changes physics, game dynamics, etc. __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

08-30-2005, 03:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Looking for map makers Asch, I am up for layout and testing. I tried my hand at making a map but dont have enough time with school. I would be glad to help out with the layout and testing though. __________________

08-30-2005, 03:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Gordy77 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 21 Posts: 97	Re: Looking for map makers Asch I can help out with whatever is needed(dunno about modeling). Been workin abit with the map editor and stuff but I am willing to submit ideas, test, and help make some of these maps. Might take a little time im new to it but with help it cuold go faster. Just keep me in mind. __________________ When I get home people'll ask me, "Hey, why do ya do it man? Why? Just some war junkie?" Ya know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.

08-30-2005, 03:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Syphonist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Age: 23 Posts: 52	Re: Looking for map makers I can help with Layout/Design/Testing. Just say what you need. __________________ "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert E.

08-30-2005, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,834	Re: Looking for map makers I've started a wiki so I can start laying down some ideas. Feel free to check it out. __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

08-31-2005, 02:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
jacat Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Idaho Age: 33 Posts: 18	Re: Looking for map makers awesome idea. i'm up for modelling although i have to warn you, i MUST, SIMPLY MUST have evian in my trailer, or i'll walk. one thing i'd like to see is an "offense vs defense" map. this would be some sort of cappable base surrounded by forest/desert/cover. the main idea is the defensive team wouldn't have to go out and cap bases, only defend 1 or 2 within the main base. i'm imagining some sort of compound in which the USMC has setup a base of operations. using the karkand environment and models, i'd place a group of hotel-like buildings in the center, surrounded by concrete barriers, guard towers, smaller bunkers, the chow hall, etc. chokepoints could include a front gate, delivery gate, holes in the chainlink or perhaps a large gaping (and still smoking) crater somewhere on the perimeter. anyone remember or been to the "Khobar Towers" in Saudi Arabia? i spent a great deal of time there drawing out base defense SOP's (for fun) and really think it would be a fun map. and can i just say that this is my 12th post?

08-31-2005, 03:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,834	Re: Looking for map makers Check out the wiki and I'll add some areas for us to start brainstorming. http://www.tacticalwiki.com/index.ph...TG_Custom_Maps __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

08-31-2005, 03:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Looking for map makers Ill take a case of Newcastle and im good to go. Hey Jacat check out this thread http://www.tacticalgamer.com/poll.ph...lts&pollid=232 it will give you an idea of what people like in a map. __________________

08-31-2005, 03:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Looking for map makers Asch I posted something at tacticalwiki could you tell me if I did it right. I have never used tacticalwiki before. __________________

08-31-2005, 03:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
jacat Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Idaho Age: 33 Posts: 18	Re: Looking for map makers asch: i'm going to start learning the map editor. i think using existing models from the current bf2 resources is a better start, for me anyway. perhaps the wiki could have a "maps under construction" section? sign me up for "Khobar Towers" map. i've thought it over and feel that it would be a fitting tribute to the 19 airmen and soldiers killed by that truck bomb; permitting USMC players some virtual payback. turbo: thanks for the link, lots of good information there i agree with all of the points listed in the poll, and think the proper approach is to first create the rough map, play it a few times, then refine and repeat. the benefit of this approach is that a more realistic map would reveal natural chokepoints, instead of engineering the perfect level playing field. as in war, troops adapt to their surroundings. for example, lets imagine together an empty parking lot surrounded by chain link on the edge of a housing complex. one or two holes may exist in the fence, but you'd be foolish to run up to them in the open. a couple of snipers could be left to watch that spot or spots, preventing opfor from penetrating. now, as a map designer, i could put a couple of barrels or burning hummers to provide cover to the fence holes. to make it more "fair". but why do that? we all know that unconventional tactics can work. now imagine two FULL hummers come speeding through the parking lot, 50 cals blazing, smoke bombs... squads exit the hummers, provide covering fire from behind the hummers pinning down the snipers while a few squadmates slip through the hole. once inside, they find cover behind concrete barriers... and so on. which option would be more fun? EITHER. it comes down to teamwork, execution of a plan, luck and a thousand other variables which are constantly changing and evolving. also, i'd place the artillery assets next to the enemy spawn. why? because i hate artillery.

08-31-2005, 04:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Looking for map makers I was thinking something like Zatar Wetland on half the map rolling up into a city controlled by the MEC. Half Wetland's half Karkand so we could get a good variety of situations. Since most people like CQC I think we need to have some fierce choke points in the city to set up ambushes on convoys. __________________

08-31-2005, 04:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,640	Re: Looking for map makers id be more then happy to test...i got a rig set up and can do all that...let me know __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

08-31-2005, 07:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
icky Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa Valley Posts: 6,154	Re: Looking for map makers I just had a thought which might be helpful for deciding where to go with this. We have a handy-dandy ATC server available. Do we have a way to upload sketches so that we can load them into ATC? We could load them up from the "Custom" section of the maps, then we could discuss the thoughts we have with some pictures. I think Apophis might be able to make this possible for us. That would be very cool. __________________ Peace through fear... since 1947!

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