Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two

**Pokerface** · 09-20-2005, 02:05 PM

OK. Phase One seemed to be a rousing success. Yay and stuff. No time to rest, however!

Phase One tested the theory of kicking people from the server based on the presence of their ProfileID in their Supporting Member profile. Now that that seems all well and good, we move on to Phase Two, which involves the removal of non-SMs from the server to make room for Supporting Members. This one I can't test by myself.

I've configured the Stage Server to be open to all comers, with reserved slots active. The server playercount is set to five, and the "holdopen" number is two. What does this mean? Well, I'll tell you.

The first three slots can be filled by anyone. (maxplayers - holdopen = number of regular slots) No slot-logic take effect until slot #4 gets someone connecting. If that someone is NOT a Supporting Member, they should get the boot (in the same fashion as with the last test, they shouldn't even see the map load screen). If that someone IS a Supporting Member, then they'll boot the non-SM with the least amount of time on the server. If there are no non-SMs on the server, the joining SM will occupy slot #4 normally. Slot #5 operates the same way.

There's a channel on TeamSpeak for people who wish to discuss how things are going. I'll be in it, but if I'm muted, it means I'm AFK and that you shouldn't expect an answer anytime soon.

Again, leave feedback wherever you wish.

The IP for the server is 67.19.59.226.

TG_Trigger · 09-20-2005, 02:23 PM

What is the reason for holdopens? Is it some technical workaround? If I'm understanding it right in the above scenario the server is not full at the time slot#4 is requested but it will kick if it's a non-sm making the request. Wouldn't there only ever be a need for non-SM kick when the server is full? Hope I'm not annoying you, I was just curious about the logic as I used to program.

**Shiner** · 09-20-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TG_Trigger

What is the reason for holdopens? Is it some technical workaround? If I'm understanding it right in the above scenario the server is not full at the time slot#4 is requested but it will kick if it's a non-sm making the request. Wouldn't there only ever be a need for non-SM kick when the server is full? Hope I'm not annoying you, I was just curious about the logic as I used to program.

My understanding is the bf2 client does a validation check before connecting and if the server is reporting at full, the call to the server is never fired. The holdopens is a method to get around this validation.

TG_Trigger · 09-20-2005, 02:48 PM

Ah that makes sence. Good way to reduce unessessary net traffic.

**kormendi** · 09-20-2005, 02:52 PM

so, its been a while since this test was announced... Is it working?

SgtDuke · 09-20-2005, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiner

My understanding is the bf2 client does a validation check before connecting and if the server is reporting at full, the call to the server is never fired. The holdopens is a method to get around this validation.

Then can/should we increase the max players to 66 so that we have 64 players when the server is "full"? Is it reasonable to expect that we'll ever have over 64 SMs on the server at one time in the forseeable future?

**DigitalAssassin** · 09-20-2005, 03:27 PM

I was thinking this over as well. I think the situations where 64 SMs were on at the same time would be infrequent (at least right now) but that does bring up the question...

How many 'holdopen' slots would there be? 32 to start? That would allow the server to become half full before starting the validation.

If Shiner's statement is true and 32 is used as an example, wouldn't that mean it would start kicking non-SMs as soon as player 33 (let's say they are a SM) connects? Is there logic that prevents any of this from happening unless the server is actually full?

**Pokerface** · 09-20-2005, 03:33 PM

Shiner is correct about the connection issues. The client won't try to connect to a full server (at least so goes my understanding).

The number of holdopen slots will likely be 2, regardless of the server. 32 is nutty high, and would keep the server at half-full until SM #33 decided to join. That's just insane.

This MAY mean the 64 player server would effectively be reduced to 62 (until 63 or 64 SMs got on at once); I don't know if setting the maxplayers higher than 64 has any effect.

**DigitalAssassin** · 09-20-2005, 03:54 PM

Oh wait, I think I'm understanding now. Sorry for the confusion. I re-read your explanation. I was making it too complicated.

So, we would have 2 slots as the 'gate-keepers' and starting when player 62 had joined they would be kicking off non-SMs as SMs joined, those SMs then filling up the 'regular' slots, correct?

**Shiner** · 09-20-2005, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalAssassin

Oh wait, I think I'm understanding now. Sorry for the confusion. I re-read your explanation. I was making it too complicated.

So, we would have 2 slots as the 'gate-keepers' and starting when player 62 had joined they would be kicking off non-SMs as SMs joined, those SMs then filling up the 'regular' slots, correct?

Yep! If the server had 62 players a non-sm trying to join will be blocked, while a SM joining will give the most recently joined non-sm the boot. The server will then be back to 62 until the next join. The only time a server would have more than 62 players is during any overlap in the join/kick process or a server with 63+ SM's.

icky · 09-20-2005, 04:01 PM

Telorn · 09-20-2005, 05:09 PM

It's worth losing 2 slots for this function. And two slots makes more sense than 1, because otherwise you could always force an uneven team with one side having 1 more than the other.

SgtDuke · 09-20-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telorn

It's worth losing 2 slots for this function.

But is it possible to up max players to 66 so we can continue to have 64 player games?

**Pokerface** · 09-20-2005, 06:07 PM

bump.

Now that we're getting into prime time, I'm re-soliciting volunteers. The sha-bang needs four people to work.

icky · 09-20-2005, 06:18 PM

Ok, I'm on! Where is everyone?

09-20-2005, 02:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two OK. Phase One seemed to be a rousing success. Yay and stuff. No time to rest, however! Phase One tested the theory of kicking people from the server based on the presence of their ProfileID in their Supporting Member profile. Now that that seems all well and good, we move on to Phase Two, which involves the removal of non-SMs from the server to make room for Supporting Members. This one I can't test by myself. I've configured the Stage Server to be open to all comers, with reserved slots active. The server playercount is set to five, and the "holdopen" number is two. What does this mean? Well, I'll tell you. The first three slots can be filled by anyone. (maxplayers - holdopen = number of regular slots) No slot-logic take effect until slot #4 gets someone connecting. If that someone is NOT a Supporting Member, they should get the boot (in the same fashion as with the last test, they shouldn't even see the map load screen). If that someone IS a Supporting Member, then they'll boot the non-SM with the least amount of time on the server. If there are no non-SMs on the server, the joining SM will occupy slot #4 normally. Slot #5 operates the same way. There's a channel on TeamSpeak for people who wish to discuss how things are going. I'll be in it, but if I'm muted, it means I'm AFK and that you shouldn't expect an answer anytime soon. Again, leave feedback wherever you wish. The IP for the server is 67.19.59.226. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

09-20-2005, 02:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
TG_Trigger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 193	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two What is the reason for holdopens? Is it some technical workaround? If I'm understanding it right in the above scenario the server is not full at the time slot#4 is requested but it will kick if it's a non-sm making the request. Wouldn't there only ever be a need for non-SM kick when the server is full? Hope I'm not annoying you, I was just curious about the logic as I used to program. __________________ [age-c1] [conduct] Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.

09-20-2005, 02:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
TG_Trigger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 193	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two Ah that makes sence. Good way to reduce unessessary net traffic. __________________ [age-c1] [conduct] Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.

09-20-2005, 02:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
kormendi Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 2,149	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two so, its been a while since this test was announced... Is it working? __________________ Team Fortress 2 Admin \| NS Admin PM me if you have any questions/concerns regarding the server.

09-20-2005, 03:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
DigitalAssassin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kansas City Age: 35 Posts: 1,586	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two I was thinking this over as well. I think the situations where 64 SMs were on at the same time would be infrequent (at least right now) but that does bring up the question... How many 'holdopen' slots would there be? 32 to start? That would allow the server to become half full before starting the validation. If Shiner's statement is true and 32 is used as an example, wouldn't that mean it would start kicking non-SMs as soon as player 33 (let's say they are a SM) connects? Is there logic that prevents any of this from happening unless the server is actually full? __________________

09-20-2005, 03:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two Shiner is correct about the connection issues. The client won't try to connect to a full server (at least so goes my understanding). The number of holdopen slots will likely be 2, regardless of the server. 32 is nutty high, and would keep the server at half-full until SM #33 decided to join. That's just insane. This MAY mean the 64 player server would effectively be reduced to 62 (until 63 or 64 SMs got on at once); I don't know if setting the maxplayers higher than 64 has any effect. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

09-20-2005, 03:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
DigitalAssassin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kansas City Age: 35 Posts: 1,586	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two Oh wait, I think I'm understanding now. Sorry for the confusion. I re-read your explanation. I was making it too complicated. So, we would have 2 slots as the 'gate-keepers' and starting when player 62 had joined they would be kicking off non-SMs as SMs joined, those SMs then filling up the 'regular' slots, correct? __________________

09-20-2005, 04:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
icky Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa Valley Posts: 6,154	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two Fun! __________________ Peace through fear... since 1947!

09-20-2005, 05:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Telorn Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Georgia Age: 27 Posts: 2,187	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two It's worth losing 2 slots for this function. And two slots makes more sense than 1, because otherwise you could always force an uneven team with one side having 1 more than the other. __________________ Telorn

09-20-2005, 06:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two bump. Now that we're getting into prime time, I'm re-soliciting volunteers. The sha-bang needs four people to work. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

09-20-2005, 06:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
icky Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa Valley Posts: 6,154	Re: Battlefield 2 Reserved Slots Open Test -- Phase Two Ok, I'm on! Where is everyone? __________________ Peace through fear... since 1947!

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