Firing Range

Kaine904 · 10-09-2005, 01:38 AM

Hello Everybody,

Just wanted to talk about an expierience i had today. I went, with an NRA Instructor friend of mine and my father, to a companys firing range to shoot off some rounds on a saturday afternoon. But, as i was firing, i noticed several things that made me thiink...
We mainly fired the M-16 and a chinese AK-47

Sound:
The guns we shoot in the game do not sound at all like these weapons. Not even a lower volume version of the weapon. Take the M-16 for example, if you have fired it, you would notice a very distinct "mechanicle" sound to it. Loudest being the spring in the stock. Every shot fired produces a "spring" sound inside of the gun, which you can easily hear. But, in the game, nothing. No such sound at all! I dont get it...
The AK-47 has alot more "omph" in its firing, with a distinct "thud" sound when firing round by round semi-auto. The sounds in the game are much higher pitched, and sound more like BB guns to me.

Firing From the Hip:
Well, i tried it. I rambo'd away a banana clip. Semi-auto, so a trigger pull for each shot, but still, at 25 feet, i didn't touch anything. It blew away stuff sure, and if you were within 5 or 6 feet, definitly you could blow the hell out of stuff from the hip. But in BF2, i notice that A, you have a static reticule, and B, shots go there. I had shots going from the ground 5 feet infront of me to into the treeline above the dike we were firing into. Its just kind of wierd how different it is between real life and the game...

I noticed other things, but i dont want to go rambling on to you guys about them, but the main thing is sound. Why doesn't someone take a rifle, set it in a solid vice, fire it with the mic where your head would be, and take that sound? Then it would be real! Then take a mic, and every 5 feet in a compass rose configuration take sound samplings. That way, it would be real! Idk... realism isn't the bigest thing in the game, fun is... but jeez, sound could be way better.

-Stefan

Vegas · 10-09-2005, 04:39 AM

Yeah, don't get me started with the sound of the SAW.

Also, the sound of shots fired far away doesn't sit well with me. Doesn't distant shots sound very distinct in real life? Is there a time delay for really distant shots on the game?

Thierry · 10-09-2005, 05:19 AM

In real life SAW is far, far more accurate, AT missiles are far more deadly and way faster, choppers can't take a 125mm shell twice, blackhawks cant survive a C4 pack etc etc

**CingularDuality** · 10-09-2005, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaine904

Take the M-16 for example, if you have fired it, you would notice a very distinct "mechanicle" sound to it. Loudest being the spring in the stock. Every shot fired produces a "spring" sound inside of the gun, which you can easily hear. But, in the game, nothing. No such sound at all! I dont get it...

FYI, that "sproing" sound can easily be eliminated with a little bit of grease on the buffer spring. Also, it's only loud for people right near the rifle. Once you're more than about three feet away, the crack of the rifle is much louder and you can't even hear the "sproing".

Kaine904 · 10-09-2005, 07:26 PM

Yes, but still, little nuances like that would really be a breeze to fix. Good sounds are not that hard to get, in all honesty i could go out and get a really great sound recording mic, set the rifle in a vice in a soundproof room, or even in a field outdoors, and get the "real" sound. EA with all of its resources, could have at least gotten accurate sounds.
There are alot of realism mods out there, and most of em are incredibly dedicated, but no mod i have ever seen has had the "real" sounds of the guns.

Where do they get these sounds?

burble · 10-09-2005, 07:49 PM

i've put a lot of rounds through a m16's, and i've never heard a 'sproing' or any such sound.

the reason they can't capture a realistic weapon sound is that most weapons (including all that fire supersonic ammo) just can't be recorded properly. there's no way the game is going to accurately reproduce the most prominent sound a rifle makes- the echoing crack the bullet makes as it breaks the sound barrier.

the actual sound of the weapon firing (again, i'm talking m16) is really just a mundane pop. i'm sure most game creators want a more interesting sound, which is what most of your FPS audience probably expects.

**CingularDuality** · 10-09-2005, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burble

i've put a lot of rounds through a m16's, and i've never heard a 'sproing' or any such sound.

It's very distinguished on a dirty rifle or one with a bone dry buffer spring. It's just the sound of the buffer spring being compressed and released...

SilverStealth89 · 10-09-2005, 10:42 PM

i wish they added americas army damage system into BF2. and yes I think it is the craziest thing to hit a chopper with two shells from an abrams and it can still whip around and blow you to hell

burble · 10-09-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

It's very distinguished on a dirty rifle or one with a bone dry buffer spring. It's just the sound of the buffer spring being compressed and released...

oh, i wasn't saying it didn't happen. just noting that i've never heard it.

but the only m16's i've ever fired have been clean as a whistle and thoroughly lubed, so that would reinforce what you're saying.

AMosely · 10-10-2005, 11:57 AM

I can't believe anyone is even attempting to compare BF2 with anything in the real world. It's vaguely based on real things, but it's not a simuation by any stretch of the imaginination - and that includes everything from the sproingy bunny hopping to the not-so-real sounding weapons.

Everything in this game is tweaked for maximum fun, first and foremost.

Steeler · 10-10-2005, 01:08 PM

There is a distinct gunfire sound palette that we, as moviegoers and gamers, have been trained to respond to. As burble said, actual gunfire sounds pretty mundane, so audio artists fall back on what works - big explosions and rattling machineguns. Most of the time when you hear a handgun fire on TV it's actually the sound of a 12-gauge shotgun.

I think, artistically speaking, they did a pretty good job of matching sounds to the visual of the guns. The M4A1 has a nice sleek efficient pop to it, the M203 has a good aggressive rattle with a satisfying "thwump" to the 'nade launcher, and the AK has a lightweight woody patter to it.

When you consider the hundreds of sounds in the game, it's actually impressive the level of artistry they put into the design. I just wish the PLA guns didn't sound so cheap. The audio team definitely had a soft spot for the Americans.

Kaine904 · 10-10-2005, 01:25 PM

You say the guns sound mundane in real life? I've felt that way, nomatter how many rounds i fire. Always its much more substantial and detailed than the sounds in the game. I really love the sounds that are there, but the difference in authentic weapons and the game sounds is incredible. It just strikes me the difference...

I'd like to listen to some recordings of these weapons.

Carbon-14 · 10-10-2005, 05:37 PM

If only they could figure out a way to add the smell of cordite to the game... Just the smell of a firing range is enough to get my heart racing

munchkin · 10-11-2005, 02:47 AM

Simple solution. Sit your PC next to a window facing into your backyard. Use the almighty duct tape to attach a gun to the side, preferably an assault weapon. Pull the trigger to celebrate events in BF2, Middle Eastern style (firing wildly, not caring where the bullets go). Killed an enemy? Fire. Revived a teammate? Fire. Perfected that bunny-hop? Fire.
Works wonders for me

10-09-2005, 01:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kaine904 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Firing Range Hello Everybody, Just wanted to talk about an expierience i had today. I went, with an NRA Instructor friend of mine and my father, to a companys firing range to shoot off some rounds on a saturday afternoon. But, as i was firing, i noticed several things that made me thiink... We mainly fired the M-16 and a chinese AK-47 Sound: The guns we shoot in the game do not sound at all like these weapons. Not even a lower volume version of the weapon. Take the M-16 for example, if you have fired it, you would notice a very distinct "mechanicle" sound to it. Loudest being the spring in the stock. Every shot fired produces a "spring" sound inside of the gun, which you can easily hear. But, in the game, nothing. No such sound at all! I dont get it... The AK-47 has alot more "omph" in its firing, with a distinct "thud" sound when firing round by round semi-auto. The sounds in the game are much higher pitched, and sound more like BB guns to me. Firing From the Hip: Well, i tried it. I rambo'd away a banana clip. Semi-auto, so a trigger pull for each shot, but still, at 25 feet, i didn't touch anything. It blew away stuff sure, and if you were within 5 or 6 feet, definitly you could blow the hell out of stuff from the hip. But in BF2, i notice that A, you have a static reticule, and B, shots go there. I had shots going from the ground 5 feet infront of me to into the treeline above the dike we were firing into. Its just kind of wierd how different it is between real life and the game... I noticed other things, but i dont want to go rambling on to you guys about them, but the main thing is sound. Why doesn't someone take a rifle, set it in a solid vice, fire it with the mic where your head would be, and take that sound? Then it would be real! Then take a mic, and every 5 feet in a compass rose configuration take sound samplings. That way, it would be real! Idk... realism isn't the bigest thing in the game, fun is... but jeez, sound could be way better. -Stefan

10-09-2005, 04:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vegas Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 19	Re: Firing Range Yeah, don't get me started with the sound of the SAW. Also, the sound of shots fired far away doesn't sit well with me. Doesn't distant shots sound very distinct in real life? Is there a time delay for really distant shots on the game?

10-09-2005, 05:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
Thierry Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Age: 20 Posts: 870	Re: Firing Range In real life SAW is far, far more accurate, AT missiles are far more deadly and way faster, choppers can't take a 125mm shell twice, blackhawks cant survive a C4 pack etc etc __________________ BF2 Name: Thez(NL) BF2142 Names: Thierry(NL) (Sniper) Dikkiedik(NL) (Assault) Kittekat(NL) (Engineer) Dimi(NL) (Support)

10-09-2005, 07:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kaine904 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Re: Firing Range Yes, but still, little nuances like that would really be a breeze to fix. Good sounds are not that hard to get, in all honesty i could go out and get a really great sound recording mic, set the rifle in a vice in a soundproof room, or even in a field outdoors, and get the "real" sound. EA with all of its resources, could have at least gotten accurate sounds. There are alot of realism mods out there, and most of em are incredibly dedicated, but no mod i have ever seen has had the "real" sounds of the guns. Where do they get these sounds?

10-09-2005, 07:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
burble Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 326	Re: Firing Range i've put a lot of rounds through a m16's, and i've never heard a 'sproing' or any such sound. the reason they can't capture a realistic weapon sound is that most weapons (including all that fire supersonic ammo) just can't be recorded properly. there's no way the game is going to accurately reproduce the most prominent sound a rifle makes- the echoing crack the bullet makes as it breaks the sound barrier. the actual sound of the weapon firing (again, i'm talking m16) is really just a mundane pop. i'm sure most game creators want a more interesting sound, which is what most of your FPS audience probably expects. __________________

10-09-2005, 10:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
SilverStealth89 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 147	Re: Firing Range i wish they added americas army damage system into BF2. and yes I think it is the craziest thing to hit a chopper with two shells from an abrams and it can still whip around and blow you to hell __________________

10-10-2005, 11:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 33 Posts: 2,535	Re: Firing Range I can't believe anyone is even attempting to compare BF2 with anything in the real world. It's vaguely based on real things, but it's not a simuation by any stretch of the imaginination - and that includes everything from the sproingy bunny hopping to the not-so-real sounding weapons. Everything in this game is tweaked for maximum fun, first and foremost.

10-10-2005, 01:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,922	Re: Firing Range There is a distinct gunfire sound palette that we, as moviegoers and gamers, have been trained to respond to. As burble said, actual gunfire sounds pretty mundane, so audio artists fall back on what works - big explosions and rattling machineguns. Most of the time when you hear a handgun fire on TV it's actually the sound of a 12-gauge shotgun. I think, artistically speaking, they did a pretty good job of matching sounds to the visual of the guns. The M4A1 has a nice sleek efficient pop to it, the M203 has a good aggressive rattle with a satisfying "thwump" to the 'nade launcher, and the AK has a lightweight woody patter to it. When you consider the hundreds of sounds in the game, it's actually impressive the level of artistry they put into the design. I just wish the PLA guns didn't sound so cheap. The audio team definitely had a soft spot for the Americans. __________________

10-10-2005, 01:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kaine904 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Re: Firing Range You say the guns sound mundane in real life? I've felt that way, nomatter how many rounds i fire. Always its much more substantial and detailed than the sounds in the game. I really love the sounds that are there, but the difference in authentic weapons and the game sounds is incredible. It just strikes me the difference... I'd like to listen to some recordings of these weapons.

10-10-2005, 05:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Carbon-14 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 28 Posts: 17	Re: Firing Range If only they could figure out a way to add the smell of cordite to the game... Just the smell of a firing range is enough to get my heart racing

10-11-2005, 02:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
munchkin Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 17 Posts: 2,271	Re: Firing Range Simple solution. Sit your PC next to a window facing into your backyard. Use the almighty duct tape to attach a gun to the side, preferably an assault weapon. Pull the trigger to celebrate events in BF2, Middle Eastern style (firing wildly, not caring where the bullets go). Killed an enemy? Fire. Revived a teammate? Fire. Perfected that bunny-hop? Fire. Works wonders for me __________________ [conduct][volun][drill][sg-c1][tpf-c1] \|TG-2nd\|munchkin Nec aspera terrent.

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