Pre-emtive "Stacked Teams" Thread

[xTYBALTx]

Being a member of the team which was allegedly stacked against on Mashtuur City, I would like to ask people what they expect to happen when the MEC steals the Blackhawk and holds it for the whole round.

It was frustrating for me as an SL, with the Blackhawk on top of us constantly, but that's what we get for failing at life enough to hand the opposing team the most potent weapon on the map. Props to the MEC that round.

[Phantom]

Do you mean pre-emptive ?

[Kilrogg]

It really wasn't just Mashtuur...the Blackhawk is ridiculous on that map but on all the other maps before the 2nd Mashtuur we played at around 11pm EST, MEC won every map by a large margin. I was on MEC on the first Mashtuur, it was great and we pulled back from a 200 ticket deficit to win like 14-0 but after that it wasn't even a challenge, US either didn't have a CO or had 9 1-3 man squads or both.

You can't even fix the teams without restarting the server due to autobalance kicking you back instantly. Even after the server crashed US got raped 500-0 on mashtuur because of the BH, but on the player list there was at least 50% more TG players on MEC than there was on US.

Server goes down and I saw it as an opportunity for the teams to fix themselves, only to see the exact same squads form on the exact same team (MEC) when the server came back up... Lame.

[Steel_Penguin]

Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Being a member of the team which was allegedly stacked against on Mashtuur City, I would like to ask people what they expect to happen when the MEC steals the Blackhawk and holds it for the whole round.

It was frustrating for me as an SL, with the Blackhawk on top of us constantly, but that's what we get for failing at life enough to hand the opposing team the most potent weapon on the map. Props to the MEC that round.

We did it twice. The first time you guys weren't even defending the flag. The second time it was only one squad and we wiped them out on the second try. When you guys got it for a while we basically had all the vodniks, support guys, and LMG's on the map trained on you. But it was basiclally the whole day that opfor just tore USMC to shreds. The same exact thing happened with the Blackhawk earlier, with many of the same people. Iwould have thought you guys would learn from your first mistake. I guess USMC just had a bad night.

[Steel_Penguin]

Just so you know Kilrogg, none of Deveran's squad, including myself, switched teams to be on the squad. We all came up on MEC. I even joined the server when it was most of the way full so I couldn't switch if i had wanted to.

[icky]

Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Being a member of the team which was allegedly stacked against on Mashtuur City, I would like to ask people what they expect to happen when the MEC steals the Blackhawk and holds it for the whole round.

Who made this allegation? Surely nobody would suggest that the teams were stacked due to this one map. This was simply a case of one squad having a clear mission - Deveran's mission to get the Blackhawk, and the other team having nobody with the sense to defend their base or recapture it, and no CO to give them sense.

Under the same circumstances, massive beatings happen every time "single objective" maps are played.

[Kilrogg]

The thing is MEC/China dominated every single map since the start of the evening Icky, maybe you joined late I dunno. USMC was consistently disorganized and filled with pubbies throughout the evening.

[Steel_Penguin]

Originally Posted by icky

Who made this allegation? Surely nobody would suggest that the teams were stacked due to this one map. This was simply a case of one squad having a clear mission - Deveran's mission to get the Blackhawk, and the other team having nobody with the sense to defend their base or recapture it, and no CO to give them sense.

Under the same circumstances, massive beatings happen every time "single objective" maps are played.

Actually, opfor won for like 8 maps straight. Starting when the server restarted earlier. Actually, you can blame it on me because i asked for it to be restarted due to a problem with creating squads. That was when Deveran's squad first stole the BH. We won by a narrow margin because of it and all the maps after that were complete ownage by opfor. I did hear a few accusations of team stacking but i don't know and wouldn't want to name names.

As for them defending the base of taking it back, we didn't even capture it for fear of being notice and shot down. The BH is more stratigically important than a single CP. The second time it was defended but only lightly.

[ABRA]

If we have the server side ability to alter vehicle spawns, remind me again why we haven't added an AA or two to Mashtuur? Does anyone have a reason to object? It's not like we have some sort of purist, high-quality map standard anymore ever since we let Abu Dhabi on the server.

Sooner we have an official poll thread on these contentious issues, the less of these endless bitch and counter-bitch threads we'll have. Present company excluded of course.

[delphi00]

Yea, I was on the winning side. the 1337th just went crazy with that BH, how could they get over 250 points? and 500 points combined total! that was just insane.

[perry]

I think I joined mid-Dalian Plant and flew, then switched to USMC for Wake to get in Tarpan's squad (Hopefully Tarpan doesn't disappear for 2 months again after the beatings we took, he did a great job despite the painful experiences ). That one ended like 500 - 0 in favor of China in just 30 minutes, it was nasty. We never could get a strong foothold on the island for some reason and bled the entire time. We were even forced off the island at least once.

Then Oman.. that was nasty too. USMC was down to just one beach flag at the river, and were being spawn camped for about 2-3 minutes. I think I counted 7 pieces of armor around that point. That finished around 300 - 0 or something. At the end, I looked at the squad screen and noted a crapload of 1 and 2 man squads. Why the hell people wouldn't join up to together to make an effective force to hold a flag is beyond me.

Dragon Valley started and I made a couple comments on team chat about it, but nothing changed. There was a 2 man sniper squad, and then another 1 man squad with just a sniper. And then some more 2 and 3 man squads, including some with TG folks in em. My computer froze about 1/2 way through or so, but it didn't feel like we were getting spanked that time (maybe we were, but it didn't FEEL like it, which I guess counts for something).

I don't think the OpFor team was stack so much as the USMC team just flat out sucked tonight. <mode=whine>And the 1 thing I am really getting tired of is that MEC chopper's canon. It's just too overpowering, especially when the air forces are not equal.</mode>

[Steel_Penguin]

Originally Posted by delphi00

Yea, I was on the winning side. the 1337th just went crazy with that BH, how could they get over 250 points? and 500 points combined total! that was just insane.

It was 1008 combined total to be exact.

[Bommando]

It is the responsibility of everyone to help make TG a better place to play. When a team is regularly slamming the other team by large margins, I expect players who know they can make a difference to switch sides to even the score.

After seeing Mashtuur results, I put in an admin message requesting that the teams be evened up. All I got in response were snide comments from MEC players stating that they were even (meaning they were even in number). Anyone wearing a TG tag who makes smartass comments like this when an admin makes a genuine request will incur my wrath.

We as admins work very hard to make this place the great place it is. I am very irked by the fact that the individuals who reap the benefits of this hard work do not feel that they should contribute in any way themselves.

Although I don't believe team stacking is common, there are factors that can consistently affect a night's play. If we see a pattern, it's our responsibility as contributors to this community to correct it.

[Indyfossil]

For Dragon Valley we got stomped. I press TAB and its looks like a scrim is going on. TG vs. the pubbies. I really didn't mind as I had a pretty good squad leader so at least I still had fun. But I think I was the only one.

But Mashtuur was crazy. I really don't know what to say about that. Yea the teams were a little off. The BH lost us at least half the tickets. But it was also a matter of the US team sucking. Because we did.

I just wish that each chopper was almost the same. The BH is a flying tank while the MEC chopper is a paper kitty.

[delphi00]

Originally Posted by Bommando

After seeing Mashtuur results, I put in an admin message requesting that the teams be evened up. All I got in response were snide comments from MEC players stating that they were even (meaning they were even in number). Anyone wearing a TG tag who makes smartass comments like this when an admin makes a genuine request will incur my wrath.

Haha, although I'm not the one who made the comments, it sounds funny now that I read it how someone could say something like this to you when you were being serious. HAHA.

Again, I wasn't the one that made th comments.