Dev's Night - 11/20

[Deveran]

I already know of the contraversy tonight and I will comment on that thread there, but this is for my sqaud tonight and our amazing gameplay.

Mashtuur, early evening -- I get my sqaud together and we're getting totally beat down majorly. We take one flag and it changes to another. At one point the Blackhawk was killing us so bad and held Seppy down in one spot that I told EVERYONE to go AT to knock it down..well..we did and I think I knifed the driver just for embarassment purposes and revenge. We retreat back and I get the idea to try out the HALO technique out with the ROFLCHOPPER. We're down to one flag (our gas station..which they are about to try and take) and I manuever the ROFLCHOPPER at around 500-530 up in the air and tell 1-2 people to change and cap their back flags. This seems to work pretty good and causees a couple of their sqauds hitting our frontlines to move back and cap some of their back flags back. Well, we didn't guard the South Gas station (we were more jumping along teh Mosque, Hill, and Backyard) and they had a tank and a full sqaud there that just took the gas station. I station the ROFLCHOPPER over the Gas station and look at everyone. NO ONE SEES ME. I laugh and hover right over the helopad and NO ONE SEES ME. The Blackhawk spawns and I quickly jump out and hop in the blackhawk and get about 6 people firing their weapons on me and the tank chasing me. Luckily, I get out and we load up the Blackhawk. ...We're down 200 tickets, but it's still early in the game. With a great crew, we wrecked havoc throughout the entire map. I can't believe we stay alive for so long. Some VERRY close calls a few time, but we stayed alive till the last 10 tickets when I was running from a wall of vodniks and got away, but ran into a tree and we were low on health so we died. We had one person get booted from our sqaud near the end and Shakey took his spot, so our score WOULD have been higher. We turned that map around and won it for the MEC with a score of 18-0. It was AMAZING. I think I found a new tactic out that Seppy introduced to me. We had a support and a medic as the gunners, 3 engis in the back, and when we saw a tank..I'd station the chopper right over it and we'd have 3 engi's toss mines on top of it. We took down the tank ATLEAST a good 5+ times. IT WAS GREAT. Now I don't have to run from a tank..I run TO THEM. The last 3 minutes I was going into their last flag (the Hill) and having Vodniks and AA locked on to me, I was swiving left and right, but the gunners, with so many targets, kept getting A LOT of kills. It was a turn around victory. Best Sqaud









Second match was Karkand, and I don't remember much of it. I remember that the USMC took the east side once, but we took it right back and the USMC had most the flags on the west then, but then we held the East side and took the West. With the bleed, we won. Otherwise, it was a USMC victory more then likey. That bleed biased it towards MEC. It's like the USMC HAS to get the East or they won't win. I remember camping the Sqaure roof and creating a good defense on it near the end. Best Sqaud.




Third match was Sharqi...I was thinking City map city map city map..sheesh. YAY! Anyway, we were moving around a lot, trying to knock the USMC off the map, but they held on to the TV Station almost the entire map and very rarely did we get the chance to try and knock them off. Was a hectic battle for a Sharqi match, and with a good CO, it could have gone to the USMC. Ohs well. Best Sqaud.




Fourth match was Dalian and my sqaud was mainly down South inside the ?Maintence? Building..I dunno. Anyway, we had CONSISTENT action from another very tough sqaud and I remember losing that flag a lot of times and failing a couple assaults. Luckily, we had a decent sqaud mopping up the North half, otherwise my sqaud would have failed that match. Lots of intense fighting inside that S building. Props to Xeil because he stands out in this match in my mind for some odd reason. Probably for always being the last of his sqaud alive and clearing that flag just when we were about to turn it white. ..oh..yea..we got Best Sqaud again.



Fifth match was Wake Island and I tasked my sqaud to hold the Southern half because I saw another sqaud to the North. We did a VERY excellent job on holding that Southern CP and only a few times they got around us and ALMOST took Beach (though the Chopper took them out and capped it..props to chopper sqaud). The USMC had control of the Northern points for most the beginning of the map, although the Chinese took the NW flank and basicaly surrounded them until they gave in..my sqaud staying S the whole time. I remember shooting a blackhawk down with my Tank cannon and seeing bombs hit the bridge in front of me..destorying the bridge and barely damaging me. Later it would proove that the USMC couldn't get across the Bridge to our flag because their own airforce took it out..It was perfect. They got around to the Beach, but we held tight and it was over because of ticket bleed in no time. VERY fun match for my sqaud. We saw a lot of action near the end and held tight. I believe this was the match where TARPAN first came in and he was our first thread. Was a tough devil to keep killed..had some great medics on his side. But we finally got him. Good job everyone! My sqaud got Best Sqaud..again.




Next match was Oman. At this point I started noticing how dominate the MEC forces were. By the time I spawned on the hotel and knifed rush the 3mansnipe team camping it, the MEC already had most the map. I had my sqaud grab ALL the armor and at one point we were ALL in armor and suppressing the USMC's last beach flag (the one with their Arty nearby). I told them not to cap it but to just benefit from all the suppressive fire. We made a semi circle and basically survived because of air superiority and a great chopper crew. Once the USMC broke away and took the hotel, it was hard to maintain an armor crew because it seemed like everyone and their brother was an AT aiming for us. I called it off and then Sid got kicked from server for a stupid reason. As soon as that happened Fallen joined up. Sid got back and was on the USMC side (which had at one point 34-30) and I was telling him to try and switch over, but for some odd reason it wasn't letting him switch to MEC despite the slight "stack" of the USMC. I thought he was switched over so I kicked Bukk or someone from the sqaud and locked it for most the map. He never got to switch over and my sqaud remained infrantry and 5 men dominate force through the rest of the map. Map ended and we won. We didn't get Best Sqaud, although we got 2nd place on Best sqaud. The chopper sqaud got best squad by 20 points. =( If we would have had Sid..we would have had it. I didn't SS it because of not getting best sqaud.


Red Dragon was the 8th map I played today and we were tasked to hold the northern most point. Schemer quit on us and I can't remember who joined up, but he did an EXCELLENT job as an AT kit. Mucho props to him and Fallen and myself for holding all their armor, the boats, the buggies, AND their choppers to the point where at the end they didn't even bother to get them out of the UCB. We were the only sqaud holding that northern point and although they did get around us a few times and got a few bases in the back, I found it VERY impressive we only lost it twice. GREAT AT kits and great help from Sid on the Support kit. It was an excellent round of Defense from the Leeth. We ended up Best Sqaud, but I was talking on TS and forgot to SS it. Sorry =/

Note: Those last two could have been switched around


Last map I played again was after the restart on Mashtuur again. I started back up as MEC and made the Leeth sqaud and had my 1337 members join up and locked it for them and Penguin (and then unlocked it for the extras to hop in). Our first opening move was to sprint for the BlackHawk and low and behold..it was there UNDEFENDED. We load it up with BIG smiles and started to wreck havoc. 13 minutes into the match and we had 600+ pts. Come 20 minutes and we had 910 points and we finally got shot down to a VERY well-placed SRAW (We were nearing half-health and I was pulling a fast maneuver). I wish I could remember the person who got the kill but major props to them. If we would have continued at that pace..we would have had over 1300 pts by the end of that match. We were just a very dominate factor prooving once again to never leave the BlackHawk to the MEC. Excellent job to my engineers(although they failed a few times), and to my gunners. I was unable to talk in VOIP because of a bug I've seen. If the server restarts I usually hace to restart BF2 because my VOIP won't work. It weird..it was working in TS and I had Penguin reley my orders..it was very nice teamwork by all despite my authoritative voice being there. Once we got shot down we immediately went for the Blackhawk again and ran into a buggy along the way..nailed it's sqaud and start back on track for the blackhawk. Well..it found us and I made it through to their gas station w/ it on my trail, but the rest of my sqaud got shot out. =x We hopped in the Vodnik's and we SHOT IT DOWN. Penguin/I told them to stay off the flag and wait for the Bhawk to spawn. We did, and the Bhawk spawned, but the sqaud spawned on it and I was slow to grab it in time so they caught it. We all tried to rush/knife/m203/shoot out them, but it didn't work. We spawned back and went for the gas station again, being the last 100 tickets. Seeing a crowd around the Bhawk spawn area..we killed them and ran for the spawn. We made it there 2nd, but the USMC guy that hopped in jumped in the passenger seat instead of the gunner seat to shoot us down. We promptly killed him and laughed as we stole it after we killed their entire sqaud and got lucky. It was the last 20 tickets and we just roamed around laughing w/ no engineers =x Very fun game by my sqaud again. Best sqaud..of course. =P







Best squad 8/9 times I played tonight and it should have been 9/9 if Sid could have switched over to MEC to join the Leeth when it was possible for him. I heard crys of stack coming after Red Dragon and Oman, but not the first 3 matches we played. Those were all won VERY evenly and a lot of the times we had some pubbie commander and it took the SL's to rearrange themselves to get into place like a CO would do. I believe once we got maps with Jets, it was just not fun for the others. I'm thinking it was the air superioty, because I faced some good challenges on the ground tonight and do not believe my team was stacked or were facing some pubbies who didn't know what to do. A lot of the times I was facing Santa and Tarpan and both have SL ribbons under their belt (compared to my zero), so to cry stack would be a laugh to me. After/Before Oman I offered that my sqaud switch over to the USMC if I could have 6 voluntary SM's to leave the server at once so we could do it. They said it wouldn't make a difference and that it didn't matter.

I found tonight to be a very fun night with a lot of good fights on the ground and a lot of fun from my sqaud. They all deserve major props and a few nominations. =P We need a Best Blackhawk Crew on Mashtuur nomination. =P


Oh..yea...this beats my old record of ~780 total team pts on Sharqi. Can anyone beat the record of 1090 and have it SSed? Bring it! =P

[Coridon]

Originally Posted by Deveran

We ended up Best Sqaud, but I was talking on TS and forgot to SS it. Sorry =/

you fail at hitting the PRINT SCREEN button, and you fail at life...



BTW, chucking mines out of the blackhawks is also underutilized. probably because there's a bunch of mines laying around even after the tank is destroyed, and that's just inviting some unpleasant TKs.

but it is terrifying to be in a tank with a helo hovering above you and the little skull-and-crossbones icon appears. *gulp*

of course, if they're right above you the gunners can't depress the mini-guns enough to hurt you, so it's a good opportunity to unload the .50s into the belly of the winged beast...

alright, i'm starting to nod off, so i'll end this post abruptly, at only 1/16 the length of dev's novella... ha...

[munchkin]

Originally Posted by Coridon

but it is terrifying to be in a tank with a helo hovering above you and the little skull-and-crossbones icon appears. *gulp*

Skull-and-crossbone icons only appear if the mines are placed by your team. So yeah, I can imagine it would be scary to have your helo throwing explosives at you.

[JMJ]

Is that all it's about is being best squad?

[Steel_Penguin]

On Dev's squad it usually is. Since he is usually on offense sucess is based on number of kills/revives/resupplies/kill damage assists. I don't really care if we got best squad if we were on defense most of the round. Besides, is it wrong to want best squad?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Steel_Penguin

On Dev's squad it usually is. Since he is usually on offense sucess is based on number of kills/revives/resupplies/kill damage assists. I don't really care if we got best squad if we were on defense most of the round. Besides, is it wrong to want best squad?

Nope, nothing wrong with that. Just asked if that's all it was about.

[Strag]

Originally Posted by Steel_Penguin

Since he is usually on offense sucess is based on number of kills/revives/resupplies/kill damage assists.

Heh, sounds like Patton and his 3rd Army in Europe. Is Deveran the Patton of TG? There are definitely similaries, in both style and personality.

[Iamthefallen]

Originally Posted by JMJ

Is that all it's about is being best squad?

Nope, not at all. But there's nothing wrong in taking pride in doing your job well and having the points at the end of the round reflect it. There's a big difference between point whoring where your intent is to help your teammates simply in order to gain the highest score, and helping your teammates and then being awarded the highest score.

Best squad/highest score can be a recognition, but never a goal unto itself.

[Apophis]

Great.. Another "look how great I am!" thread.

[Trooper]

arent those um....great...but considering the source im not surprised

[Bommando]

I tried for so long not to post my opinion in this thread, because in a lot of ways I have a great deal of respect for you Deveran, but this thread just isn't representative of what TG play is all about and I will tell you why:

We all like to see ourselves score well and have good K-D ratios and such, no doubt. It's whether it is a priority that is being brought into question here. I wish your squad's exemplary performance could be summarised with something other than a bunch of screenshots and stories of Blackhawk whoring.

I cannot begin to count the number of times I have had a good run on top squad scores and vehicle-associated gold stars. I also remember the total number of times I felt the need to bring it to everyone's attention in the public forums: zero.

I like my squad to get top squad. It's a good feeling, but I have had times when I have felt my squad excelled without getting it. Getting the top squad among many other great squads is often about being in the right place at the right time, not necessarily about being better. I hate to say it Deveran, but you are the king of always putting yourself in the right place at the right time, regardless of whether your CO wants you there or whether it's actually necessary for you to be there.

If I sent my squad chasing the UAV at every opportunity, then we'd pick up a crapload of kills, revives and resupplies as well. This isn't the major objective though. The primary objective is to follow your CO orders and make sure you secure valuable positions. I think as COs we have all adapted to your bloodlust and god forbid anyone should task you on defence or have you in a quiet area for more than 60 seconds.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but take this as from a guy who respects your abilities and encourages you to expand your talents. You are a great SL and a great motivator of your men. I just wish the direction of your motivation would take a different path and help you develop as a TG player. Now that you know you can top score for a whole night and on many other occasions, try your hand at defending a quiet, but vital CP for an entire round. Play USMC for a whole week. Squad up with other SLs to see how they do things.

I'm not saying you have never done these things, it's just not evident that you value them as much as you do your coveted top squad score.

[schemer]

I think you're being a little hard on Dev. I know I've spent plenty of time defending a position for a whole round in his squad and we are always objective oriented. Last night we had a lot of Leeth guys together and really had a lot of fun (and also worked pretty well together, at least while I was there) and I think he just wanted to get it out there. I'll also add there was a moment when we were not able to take the maintenance building and he was doig his normal rant, that another squaddie commented that he should calm down because we were the top squad - and he went off in another rant that only taking the objective was important, scores didn't matter...

As the suckiest member of the Leeth, I have a lot of fun playing with Dev (even though I suffer a lot of wrath, which to me is funny), and that's why I join up when I see him on - is it so wrong to also flaunt it a little when we kick butt too?

In the end, its still a game, isn't it?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by schemer

- is it so wrong to also flaunt it a little when we kick butt too?

In the end, its still a game, isn't it?

Try changing to the side who's getting their butt kicked round after round and see if you still sing the same tune. It's one thing to come here and give props to your squad on a job well done, it's another to come here and show how good you were at whoring the blackhawk and challenging anyone to "beat your best record".

There's nothing wrong with having best squad, I enjoy it when my squad gets it also. I just think there's a better way to present your excitement. I would just reiterate what Bommando said.

[Dark Viper]

Sorry if I was adding to the team unbalancing. I joined the server when it was on Dragon Valley and the Chinese team was losing and had lost their main. I started up a squad and retook the Refinery and then became commander. Somehow, I forced our team to retake all the flags and kept the US on ticket bleed. Pulling out a 100 - 0 win or something around that. When I joined, I didn't know the US had been loosing all night or I would have attemped to join their side.

After the server restart, I started out on the MEC so I just made a squad. We took the power plant, got the tank, and took the south gas station. We stole the US tank and then just played wack-a-mole going clockwise around the map with our 2 tanks. I left after Mushtaar to go play some AA.

[schemer]

Originally Posted by JMJ

Try changing to the side who's getting their butt kicked round after round and see if you still sing the same tune. It's one thing to come here and give props to your squad on a job well done, it's another to come here and show how good you were at whoring the blackhawk and challenging anyone to "beat your best record".

There's nothing wrong with having best squad, I enjoy it when my squad gets it also. I just think there's a better way to present your excitement. I would just reiterate what Bommando said.

I think we've all been on a side at one time or another that's been owned (and for the record, I wasn't on during the bh episode). I've still had a lot of fun. Heck, most nights there are at least a few rounds where all do is spawn so that jets can blow me up. All I'm saying is you're reading a little too much into Dev's flaunting here - I can't speak for him and won't, but it seems to me he was just having fun pointing out well the squad did.

That said, If its the blackhawk that's killing you, why not spawn a whole squad AT and take it out and make a point to hold that base and keep the BH?