Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101!

Thierry · 01-30-2006, 02:03 PM

Its something that annoys USMC players (especially on Karkand) a lot, the M16 versus the AK101.
Ok first up, the main differences:

M16:

Can fire in either burst (3 rounds) or single shot
More accurate in single shot, and also more accurate in multiple or constant single-shot shooting.
Less damage then AK101
Higher rate of fire between bullets (between burst its 900, equal to M249)

Rate of fire: 900
Damage per shot: 30
Amount of shots to kill armored: 5
Amount of shots to kill non-armored: 4

Full M16 stats

AK101:

Full automatic fire and single shot
Just a little less single shot accuracy, but the zoom-in sight of the AK is thinner, making it easier to line up targets, more accuracy reduction on multiple single-shot shooting.
More damage then M16
Lower rate of fire then M16, but compensated by fullauto fire.

Rate of fire: 600
Damage per shot: 37
Amount of shots to kill armored: 4
Amount of shots to kill non-armored: 3

Full AK101 stats

Ok now, as you can see its pretty basic, the AK101 is full auto and more damage, the M16 is burst and more accuracy.

In close quarter combat (CQC) the AK101 has 2 advantages, more damage and fullauto fire, the M16 has only one advantage, higher rate of fire.

Even though the AK has an advantage in CQC, an M16 player can still win if he knows how to use the M16 properly.

First off, consider the M16 as a semi-automatic rifle, as it basicly is, it just fires 3 shots with a click instead of 1. If you click twice as fast as possible, you'll probably fire enough rounds to kill the AK101 guy before he has fired enough bullets to kill you, also keep in mind that the accuracy decreasement is worse for the AK101, a lot worse, in fullauto spray fire, the AK101 is very inaccurate.

Staying mobile and keeping your rifle on your opponent can really help you out.
You wont win a single shot contest with an M16 if the target is just across the street or a bit more then that, your accuracy advantage kicks in at much larger distances, think about distances between the Karkand Hotel and Square flags, the M16 is a killer in that range.

True said, its still tough to beat a guy with an AK101 in CQC, but you have an accurate rifle with a far higher rate of fire, so you can single shot a lot faster as well, if you see a guy running up an alley, go prone and strafe him, should he survive, he will have lost so much health that he only needs 1 or 2 more shots.

A single burst will never kill a full health soldier, fire the M16 in tri-burst, three clicks. This will prevent you from losing too much ammo or shooting all over the place, while still being accurate and deadly.
The M16 is indeed more an SVD in single shot, but it still kills at long ranges.
The more you soften up a target, the easier it is to finish him off.
The amount of time it takes for a guy with an AK101 to kill you (with 4 bullets assume you are assualt) is 1 min / 600 * 4, which is roughly 0.40 seconds.
The M16 needs 5 bullets to kill an armored guy so 1 min / 900 * 5, which is 0.33 seconds.
So you CAN kill him faster then he can kill you, provided you keep clicking the fire button like mad.

To put it simple, with the M16, try to keep a distance and soften him up first, otherwise stay mobile and fire in tri-bursts.

phenom880 · 01-30-2006, 10:49 PM

you mean the noob tube kit has a gun too? I'll B DAMNED

Bodofooko · 01-31-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phenom880

you mean the noob tube kit has a gun too? I'll B DAMNED

that is indeed funny.

**FPS_Douglas** · 01-31-2006, 10:30 AM

Good post man. I really like each gun. I think the AK is vastly under-rated at range. If you pause between shots, it's accuracy feels the same as an m16 to me. At close range and CQB, they are both very close IMO too. Although I prefer the AK for CQB and the m16 for close range, I have seen others who excel equally well vice versa. Both are fine weapons.

FishRoy · 01-31-2006, 02:43 PM

I've found that it's the one who fires the gun who makes the most difference.

I'll let that soak in....

BaneII · 01-31-2006, 07:20 PM

I normally start bunny hopping and dolphin diving to lessen the effective range of the weapons.

01-30-2006, 02:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Thierry Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Age: 20 Posts: 870	Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101! Its something that annoys USMC players (especially on Karkand) a lot, the M16 versus the AK101. Ok first up, the main differences: M16: Can fire in either burst (3 rounds) or single shot More accurate in single shot, and also more accurate in multiple or constant single-shot shooting. Less damage then AK101 Higher rate of fire between bullets (between burst its 900, equal to M249) Rate of fire: 900 Damage per shot: 30 Amount of shots to kill armored: 5 Amount of shots to kill non-armored: 4 Full M16 stats AK101: Full automatic fire and single shot Just a little less single shot accuracy, but the zoom-in sight of the AK is thinner, making it easier to line up targets, more accuracy reduction on multiple single-shot shooting. More damage then M16 Lower rate of fire then M16, but compensated by fullauto fire. Rate of fire: 600 Damage per shot: 37 Amount of shots to kill armored: 4 Amount of shots to kill non-armored: 3 Full AK101 stats Ok now, as you can see its pretty basic, the AK101 is full auto and more damage, the M16 is burst and more accuracy. In close quarter combat (CQC) the AK101 has 2 advantages, more damage and fullauto fire, the M16 has only one advantage, higher rate of fire. Even though the AK has an advantage in CQC, an M16 player can still win if he knows how to use the M16 properly. First off, consider the M16 as a semi-automatic rifle, as it basicly is, it just fires 3 shots with a click instead of 1. If you click twice as fast as possible, you'll probably fire enough rounds to kill the AK101 guy before he has fired enough bullets to kill you, also keep in mind that the accuracy decreasement is worse for the AK101, a lot worse, in fullauto spray fire, the AK101 is very inaccurate. Staying mobile and keeping your rifle on your opponent can really help you out. You wont win a single shot contest with an M16 if the target is just across the street or a bit more then that, your accuracy advantage kicks in at much larger distances, think about distances between the Karkand Hotel and Square flags, the M16 is a killer in that range. True said, its still tough to beat a guy with an AK101 in CQC, but you have an accurate rifle with a far higher rate of fire, so you can single shot a lot faster as well, if you see a guy running up an alley, go prone and strafe him, should he survive, he will have lost so much health that he only needs 1 or 2 more shots. A single burst will never kill a full health soldier, fire the M16 in tri-burst, three clicks. This will prevent you from losing too much ammo or shooting all over the place, while still being accurate and deadly. The M16 is indeed more an SVD in single shot, but it still kills at long ranges. The more you soften up a target, the easier it is to finish him off. The amount of time it takes for a guy with an AK101 to kill you (with 4 bullets assume you are assualt) is 1 min / 600 * 4, which is roughly 0.40 seconds. The M16 needs 5 bullets to kill an armored guy so 1 min / 900 * 5, which is 0.33 seconds. So you CAN kill him faster then he can kill you, provided you keep clicking the fire button like mad. To put it simple, with the M16, try to keep a distance and soften him up first, otherwise stay mobile and fire in tri-bursts. __________________ BF2 Name: Thez(NL) BF2142 Names: Thierry(NL) (Sniper) Dikkiedik(NL) (Assault) Kittekat(NL) (Engineer) Dimi(NL) (Support)

01-30-2006, 10:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
phenom880 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 73	Re: Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101! you mean the noob tube kit has a gun too? I'll B DAMNED

01-31-2006, 10:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
FPS_Douglas Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 553	Re: Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101! Good post man. I really like each gun. I think the AK is vastly under-rated at range. If you pause between shots, it's accuracy feels the same as an m16 to me. At close range and CQB, they are both very close IMO too. Although I prefer the AK for CQB and the m16 for close range, I have seen others who excel equally well vice versa. Both are fine weapons.

01-31-2006, 02:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
FishRoy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Richardson (Dallas), TX Posts: 90	Re: Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101! I've found that it's the one who fires the gun who makes the most difference. I'll let that soak in....

01-31-2006, 07:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
BaneII Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 2,424	Re: Help! I got an M16 and he's got an AK101! I normally start bunny hopping and dolphin diving to lessen the effective range of the weapons.

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