Is the Irregs new recruitment....

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-04-2006, 10:39 AM

Policy too harsh?

It was brought to my attention that our new policy might be a little too harsh and is leaning towards more of an in-house policy.

That is not my intent. So, I'm asking others to voice their opinions on it and I welcome suggestions to make it so it seems less harsh.

My reasons for creating the new recruitment policy is because in the past it seems that the Irregs let anyone off the street into their ranks and it felt that as a result there was no true commitment.

I personally feel that if a person who is interested in joining the Irregs can make a conserted effort to make a commitment of two practices within their first month that they would be a good candidate for the Irregs. I felt that after they've made it a point to be active in the Irregs that they'd be enrolled into the Irregs and that after their initial 30 days the requirement to make both practices would drop off to one of their choosing.

But to some it may come under the scrutiny of the admins and may possibly jeopordize our status and could possibly result in the elimination of the Irregs if the admins see fit because we are not an in-house squad.

So, I'm asking if our new policy should once again be changed? I feel that if people don't mind the new policy that it should be allowed to remain in effect but if people feel that it will hurt the Irregulars image of being a laid back "training squad" then it will be removed/rewritten to fit our image more appropriately.

Again, I'm not trying to turn us into an in-house squad, it is not our purpose. But I'm trying to find a way to eliminate what the Irregs had turned into in the past with 30+ members who did absolutely nothing.

Again, suggestions, concerns and opinions are welcome.

millipede777 · 02-04-2006, 01:21 PM

I don't find attending the practices hard, but I'm in the US (so all the practices so far have been at times when I'm actaully awake) and I don't work on Saturday. It could be much harder for others. I don't think the practices should be the tool that we use to measure a persons participation in the Irregs. Expecting them to play a little bit is fine and expecting them to post on the forums is probablly better. I have no problem checking up on the forums because it only takes a few minutes, but getting into a game of BF2 and finishing it can take a long time.

I do think there should be some commitment, but not a really big one.

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-04-2006, 01:39 PM

I don't think completing a full rotaion of maps in game is necessary either, I can never go a full rotation and the most maps I've ever played through was 4 or 5 at a timel my average is 2 maps per sitting.

I just thought for people interested or for people being considered that attending practices where teh majority of Irregs are on at one time is a good way to meet the members of the Irregs and should be used as a tool by the members as a way to figure out who is going to make a good Irreg this way every Irreg can see how well the person in question works in a squad, follows orders and interacts with Irregs. And that's the main reason why I schedule the practices on the weekend so that more Irregs over seas have a chance to participate.

Wulfyn · 02-04-2006, 03:58 PM

Quote:

My reasons for creating the new recruitment policy is because in the past it seems that the Irregs let anyone off the street into their ranks and it felt that as a result there was no true commitment.

This is the nature of the beast. The very point of the irregulars is that it is for people who cannot commit regularly. The Irregulars should have zero entry requirements. It is a banner under which anyone (who is not already in an in house squad) can fight.

There really is no discussion or leeway to this.

TychoCelchuuu · 02-04-2006, 04:08 PM

Yeah... if we wanted entry requirements we'd join another squad. I didn't join the Irregulars to be forced into practices that I have no assurances that I can make. If I could commit to something I wouldn't need the Irregulars.

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-04-2006, 04:16 PM

Very well then.

**WhiskeySix** · 02-04-2006, 04:40 PM

... thus the formation of the 12th, and the binning of the avatar...

All this being said, and correct me if I'm wrong here admins, I don't see any reason you couldn't sort the roster based on activity/participation levels...

JimmyTwoHand · 02-04-2006, 08:05 PM

I dont see how that would be a problem, but again it is a time consuming and micromanagement heavy process to sort the data. Do you do it on Server 1 time (and if so how is this tracked?)? Do you do it on practice attendance(which might not be suitable for your timezone/working hours)? Or forum activity (again how do you log how many times a person has read the forum or posted?)

I think that was why we binned the other more flexible plans. It seemed like a nightmare to implement.

kornkobcom · 02-05-2006, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfyn

This is the nature of the beast. The very point of the irregulars is that it is for people who cannot commit regularly. The Irregulars should have zero entry requirements. It is a banner under which anyone (who is not already in an in house squad) can fight.

There really is no discussion or leeway to this.

Just a point of order: are you speaking as a TG admin on this and saying that Tactical Gamer has a policy that would prohibit the IRR from changing oru entry requriements? I just need this clarified as your statements could be construed as a policy statement as they are stated as absolutes. However I could see a perspective in which you are jsut stating your own opinion, not Tactical Gamer policy.

On the other point....

Sorting roster by activity level...
It's not like it has to be real time or anything. Heck, if the people running the show periodically short the list by hand and their own impressions it'll work itself out in short order, get dry again till someone notices it's all out of wack and sorts through the thing again.

Frankly, short of having some sort of ongoing commitment from people (which has been binned more times than I can count) I can't see any other way to trim the dead membership except to go through the roster by hand once in a while.

Drizzid · 02-05-2006, 01:20 AM

Hey guys, I think trying to keep it simple is really the best way. I know for a fact I was trying to do too much and after I spoke to Wulfyn he really clarified things and puut them into perspective when it came to the Irregulars. If I may suggest:

1)Remember that the Irregulars are NOT an in house squad
2)Know who the most active members are and find them in game and play as much as you can with them
3)have fun, I worked to hard on making the Irregulars something it wasn't supposed to be
4)minimize your work as officers or admins don't spend to much time trying to make something out of nothing. Post some times and dates of events and hope for the best
5)When you feel you are ready join an existing in house squad or create your own. You'll know when the time is right.

I know this can get frustrating guys and I think you guys are doing a bang up job but don't drive yourself crazy with it. You try to keep it running the best you can and enjoy your time in game working with each other and you'll be much better off. Just trying to help guys if there is anything I can do please let me know

Wulfyn · 02-05-2006, 08:29 AM

That the Irregulars have no entry requirements is policy. The point of the Irregulars is for a group / scrim team / banner that guys who cannot or do not want to commit to an in house squad can fight under. Because of this there are a number of differences between the Irregulars and the In House squads that must be kept in order to ensure the difference is maintained.

Having an avatar is not against the policy however. If you guys want a team badge that you can wear then that is cool. However instead of being like the in house squad avatar badges which have individuals' names on, it might be better to have a single team badge to have as an avatar. Or has been said an Irregulars Banner to put in your signature. This way you are showing your love of playing for this team but without it seeming like you are a rostered member.

In terms of picking a team to play in scrims then it is entirely down to whoever you have organising that bit to choose. Basing it on regularity however might not be the best thing to do. It may seem a fair way to do it, but then having a team set up on the idea that anyone can participate with no commitment requirements, and then basing team places by that commitment seems kinda self-defeating. I'm sure you guys will figure out some cool solutions.

Incidentally I'm still up for a squads vs Irregulars match if you guys want it?

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-05-2006, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfyn

Incidentally I'm still up for a squads vs Irregulars match if you guys want it?

I had been wondering about that. The announcement is still up on the wiki but I hadn't heard anything.

I'm still game if its at a time that the majority of Irregs can get on and play like on a weekend or soemthing. If not I'll probably still show during the week but I can't guarantee that other Irregs will be able to show.

Let me know what day you want to schedule something so that we can figure out the best time to get the majority of Irregs in too.

Drizzid · 02-05-2006, 09:31 AM

The 12th is itching for some action and I'm sure we would love to fight with the Irregulars. If the Irregulars want a handicap on their side

smallfatcat · 02-05-2006, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drizzid

The 12th is itching for some action and I'm sure we would love to fight with the Irregulars. If the Irregulars want a handicap on their side

I second that

JimmyTwoHand · 02-05-2006, 09:51 AM

Yep sounds good to me.

02-04-2006, 10:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,541	Is the Irregs new recruitment.... Policy too harsh? It was brought to my attention that our new policy might be a little too harsh and is leaning towards more of an in-house policy. That is not my intent. So, I'm asking others to voice their opinions on it and I welcome suggestions to make it so it seems less harsh. My reasons for creating the new recruitment policy is because in the past it seems that the Irregs let anyone off the street into their ranks and it felt that as a result there was no true commitment. I personally feel that if a person who is interested in joining the Irregs can make a conserted effort to make a commitment of two practices within their first month that they would be a good candidate for the Irregs. I felt that after they've made it a point to be active in the Irregs that they'd be enrolled into the Irregs and that after their initial 30 days the requirement to make both practices would drop off to one of their choosing. But to some it may come under the scrutiny of the admins and may possibly jeopordize our status and could possibly result in the elimination of the Irregs if the admins see fit because we are not an in-house squad. So, I'm asking if our new policy should once again be changed? I feel that if people don't mind the new policy that it should be allowed to remain in effect but if people feel that it will hurt the Irregulars image of being a laid back "training squad" then it will be removed/rewritten to fit our image more appropriately. Again, I'm not trying to turn us into an in-house squad, it is not our purpose. But I'm trying to find a way to eliminate what the Irregs had turned into in the past with 30+ members who did absolutely nothing. Again, suggestions, concerns and opinions are welcome. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

02-04-2006, 01:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
millipede777 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: AZ Age: 18 Posts: 684	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... I don't find attending the practices hard, but I'm in the US (so all the practices so far have been at times when I'm actaully awake) and I don't work on Saturday. It could be much harder for others. I don't think the practices should be the tool that we use to measure a persons participation in the Irregs. Expecting them to play a little bit is fine and expecting them to post on the forums is probablly better. I have no problem checking up on the forums because it only takes a few minutes, but getting into a game of BF2 and finishing it can take a long time. I do think there should be some commitment, but not a really big one. __________________ AKA ContingencyPlan

02-04-2006, 01:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,541	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... I don't think completing a full rotaion of maps in game is necessary either, I can never go a full rotation and the most maps I've ever played through was 4 or 5 at a timel my average is 2 maps per sitting. I just thought for people interested or for people being considered that attending practices where teh majority of Irregs are on at one time is a good way to meet the members of the Irregs and should be used as a tool by the members as a way to figure out who is going to make a good Irreg this way every Irreg can see how well the person in question works in a squad, follows orders and interacts with Irregs. And that's the main reason why I schedule the practices on the weekend so that more Irregs over seas have a chance to participate. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

02-04-2006, 04:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
TychoCelchuuu Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 19 Posts: 1,776	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... Yeah... if we wanted entry requirements we'd join another squad. I didn't join the Irregulars to be forced into practices that I have no assurances that I can make. If I could commit to something I wouldn't need the Irregulars. __________________ \|TG-Irr\|TychoCelchuuu

02-04-2006, 04:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,541	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... Very well then. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

02-04-2006, 04:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
WhiskeySix Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gillette Stadium, Section 309, Row 12, Seat 24 Age: 32 Posts: 7,706	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... ... thus the formation of the 12th, and the binning of the avatar... All this being said, and correct me if I'm wrong here admins, I don't see any reason you couldn't sort the roster based on activity/participation levels... __________________

02-05-2006, 01:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Drizzid Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 2,888	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... Hey guys, I think trying to keep it simple is really the best way. I know for a fact I was trying to do too much and after I spoke to Wulfyn he really clarified things and puut them into perspective when it came to the Irregulars. If I may suggest: 1)Remember that the Irregulars are NOT an in house squad 2)Know who the most active members are and find them in game and play as much as you can with them 3)have fun, I worked to hard on making the Irregulars something it wasn't supposed to be 4)minimize your work as officers or admins don't spend to much time trying to make something out of nothing. Post some times and dates of events and hope for the best 5)When you feel you are ready join an existing in house squad or create your own. You'll know when the time is right. I know this can get frustrating guys and I think you guys are doing a bang up job but don't drive yourself crazy with it. You try to keep it running the best you can and enjoy your time in game working with each other and you'll be much better off. Just trying to help guys if there is anything I can do please let me know __________________ TG-Drizzid Yifios Phoenix (87:55) Marble colony Danetia Menzo (86:55) Wine ColonyII Rayiatia Paradise (87:54) Sulfur

02-05-2006, 08:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wulfyn Join Date: May 2005 Location: Norwich, UK Age: 28 Posts: 4,233	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... That the Irregulars have no entry requirements is policy. The point of the Irregulars is for a group / scrim team / banner that guys who cannot or do not want to commit to an in house squad can fight under. Because of this there are a number of differences between the Irregulars and the In House squads that must be kept in order to ensure the difference is maintained. Having an avatar is not against the policy however. If you guys want a team badge that you can wear then that is cool. However instead of being like the in house squad avatar badges which have individuals' names on, it might be better to have a single team badge to have as an avatar. Or has been said an Irregulars Banner to put in your signature. This way you are showing your love of playing for this team but without it seeming like you are a rostered member. In terms of picking a team to play in scrims then it is entirely down to whoever you have organising that bit to choose. Basing it on regularity however might not be the best thing to do. It may seem a fair way to do it, but then having a team set up on the idea that anyone can participate with no commitment requirements, and then basing team places by that commitment seems kinda self-defeating. I'm sure you guys will figure out some cool solutions. Incidentally I'm still up for a squads vs Irregulars match if you guys want it? __________________

02-05-2006, 09:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Drizzid Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 2,888	Re: Is the Irregs new recruitment.... The 12th is itching for some action and I'm sure we would love to fight with the Irregulars. If the Irregulars want a handicap on their side __________________ TG-Drizzid Yifios Phoenix (87:55) Marble colony Danetia Menzo (86:55) Wine ColonyII Rayiatia Paradise (87:54) Sulfur

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