Protect the VIP

Root · 02-16-2006, 09:12 PM

Maybe it's because we've got a shiny new toy, but the (obvious) tactics for CT's seem to be getting overlooked.

When the VIP has a large escort, they need to remain in the middle of the pack. You can't guarantee that the T's won't hit from behind. More than ever, it's critical that someone is constantly watching the teams six.

Whoever's on point needs to be far enough ahead of the next man, that there's plenty of buffer zone between them and the team. When the point man engages targets, the rest of the team shouldn't be worrying about the safety of that team member. Use the time to move the VIP in any direction that's away from the fighting.

When you get close to the EP, put the VIP somewhere safe, get in fast and secure the area. Then call the VIP in, who will run straight for the EP *without* stopping to shoot at any T's.

radicaldreamer · 02-16-2006, 10:54 PM

basically, from what i've seen, is that once you are within a 100 metre distance from the EP, just whip in as many smokes as possible around the EP, and just cover outside the smoke, to give the VIP time, to run to victory

i have to see how well that strategy works next time things happen up on server 2

Root · 02-16-2006, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radicaldreamer

basically, from what i've seen, is that once you are within a 100 metre distance from the EP, just whip in as many smokes as possible around the EP, and just cover outside the smoke, to give the VIP time, to run to victory

i have to see how well that strategy works next time things happen up on server 2

That works fine against bots, but against other players, it may well be different. Remember that a team of bots don't communicate. Don't plan on making use of the VIP's armor (or their gun for that matter).

radicaldreamer · 02-16-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Root

Don't plan on making use of the VIP's armor (or their gun for that matter).

that's not exactly what i was meaning, maybe i should start over...lol

first, someone who has a scoped weapon, or a good long-ranged gun in general, scouts out the area where the EP is, and take out any nearby hostiles

once it's clear, get a few smokes in there, then flash the EP point, then around the EP, as is corners, walls, etc.

have the VIP in the middle, and have the protection like a square around the VIP, and escort the VIP to the EP

Karkianman101 · 02-17-2006, 12:51 AM

The para may in fact become useful in CS:S, largely as a deterrent to that tactic :P

Root · 02-17-2006, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radicaldreamer

first, someone who has a scoped weapon, or a good long-ranged gun in general, scouts out the area where the EP is, and take out any nearby hostiles

once it's clear, get a few smokes in there, then flash the EP point, then around the EP, as is corners, walls, etc.

have the VIP in the middle, and have the protection like a square around the VIP, and escort the VIP to the EP

That sounds like a plan. The trick is definitely for the CT's to be bullet magnets, because an AWP round to the head can kill the VIP outright. We've set the mod to use the scout instead of the AWP, but we shouldn't ever be testing the limits of the VIP's armor unless the rest of the team are dead.

Root · 02-17-2006, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karkianman101

The para may in fact become useful in CS:S, largely as a deterrent to that tactic :P

The VIP mod restricts a number of weapons. The CT's are unable to buy the MP5, I believe no-one can buy shotguns, and I'm pretty certain that the GPMG is also unavailable.

**Trooper** · 02-17-2006, 12:56 AM

figured i just throw this out there....this was taken off the IRC channel tonight.

"T**F***X--It's funny when root's the VIP because you have this internal struggle whether or not you actually would take a bullet for him."

now im not going to say i dint laugh, cause i did, so did others. This persons name was concealed to protect TheFeniX

poe · 02-17-2006, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Root

The VIP mod restricts a number of weapons. The CT's are unable to buy the MP5, I believe no-one can buy shotguns, and I'm pretty certain that the GPMG is also unavailable.

Can't buy....
MP5, P90, M249, Autosnipers, AWP, Krieg (possibly AUG too), no scouts for CTs... and I didn't even test everything.

Uchiha Obito · 02-18-2006, 09:01 PM

Meat shields ftw! Depending on your distance to the EP, it might be a good idea to have the VIP under cover, then have all the CTs whip out every nade they can get their hands on at and around the EP, then while the Ts tentatively wonder if its safe to come out, all of the CTs run in spraying covering fire while the VIP runs to the EP. This would probably work best with clock coordination.

Spyder · 02-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Well, if you want to go presidential with it, at minimum distance to ep, whip out every nade you can, then have the entire team run out in a group with the VIP in the middle surrounded by CT's. No shooting or stopping, the CT's literally there to do nothing but absorb bullets for the final dash. 'Course would work better if the VIP could crouch walk at running speed (like you always see these kind of extractions done in movies, VIP ducking and running in a group of standing SS men) because when they're all standing somebody at elevation has an angle for a HS. The key obviously would be the smokes/flashes. Running out into a group of T's waiting with guns aiming for you is suicide. But, in a situation where the CT's are outgunned/outnumbered, trying to secure the EP might not be a viable option, and this sort of random chaos approach might have a better effect.

Stealth Elite · 02-20-2006, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poe

Can't buy....
MP5, P90, M249, Autosnipers, AWP, Krieg (possibly AUG too), no scouts for CTs... and I didn't even test everything.

Why are these restited

radicaldreamer · 02-20-2006, 06:50 PM

comes with the mod, i suppose, i mean...the admins didn't restrict those, so i assume it's the mod

**Acid** · 02-20-2006, 08:02 PM

Would it make it more tactical if the speed of the VIP was reduced? I mean, a hostage shouldn't be able to run as fast as a trained CT, and then that would make the CT's have to think of the slower moving VIP and cover him.

radicaldreamer · 02-20-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by black death5

Would it make it more tactical if the speed of the VIP was reduced? I mean, a hostage shouldn't be able to run as fast as a trained CT, and then that would make the CT's have to think of the slower moving VIP and cover him.

oh come on, anybody who was being chased by terrorists would be running pretty damn fast, if not faster, don't you think?

02-16-2006, 09:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Root Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South east england Posts: 8,839	Protect the VIP Maybe it's because we've got a shiny new toy, but the (obvious) tactics for CT's seem to be getting overlooked. When the VIP has a large escort, they need to remain in the middle of the pack. You can't guarantee that the T's won't hit from behind. More than ever, it's critical that someone is constantly watching the teams six. Whoever's on point needs to be far enough ahead of the next man, that there's plenty of buffer zone between them and the team. When the point man engages targets, the rest of the team shouldn't be worrying about the safety of that team member. Use the time to move the VIP in any direction that's away from the fighting. When you get close to the EP, put the VIP somewhere safe, get in fast and secure the area. Then call the VIP in, who will run straight for the EP without stopping to shoot at any T's. __________________ BFCL TF2 league admin

02-16-2006, 10:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
radicaldreamer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Milton, Ontario, Canada Age: 20 Posts: 301	Re: Protect the VIP basically, from what i've seen, is that once you are within a 100 metre distance from the EP, just whip in as many smokes as possible around the EP, and just cover outside the smoke, to give the VIP time, to run to victory i have to see how well that strategy works next time things happen up on server 2 __________________

02-17-2006, 12:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Karkianman101 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Lansing Age: 20 Posts: 1,544	Re: Protect the VIP The para may in fact become useful in CS:S, largely as a deterrent to that tactic :P

02-17-2006, 12:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,293	Re: Protect the VIP figured i just throw this out there....this was taken off the IRC channel tonight. "TF*X--It's funny when root's the VIP because you have this internal struggle whether or not you actually would take a bullet for him." now im not going to say i dint laugh, cause i did, so did others. This persons name was concealed to protect TheFeniX

02-18-2006, 09:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Uchiha Obito Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Age: 25 Posts: 345	Re: Protect the VIP Meat shields ftw! Depending on your distance to the EP, it might be a good idea to have the VIP under cover, then have all the CTs whip out every nade they can get their hands on at and around the EP, then while the Ts tentatively wonder if its safe to come out, all of the CTs run in spraying covering fire while the VIP runs to the EP. This would probably work best with clock coordination. __________________

02-18-2006, 09:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 24 Posts: 912	Re: Protect the VIP Well, if you want to go presidential with it, at minimum distance to ep, whip out every nade you can, then have the entire team run out in a group with the VIP in the middle surrounded by CT's. No shooting or stopping, the CT's literally there to do nothing but absorb bullets for the final dash. 'Course would work better if the VIP could crouch walk at running speed (like you always see these kind of extractions done in movies, VIP ducking and running in a group of standing SS men) because when they're all standing somebody at elevation has an angle for a HS. The key obviously would be the smokes/flashes. Running out into a group of T's waiting with guns aiming for you is suicide. But, in a situation where the CT's are outgunned/outnumbered, trying to secure the EP might not be a viable option, and this sort of random chaos approach might have a better effect. __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

02-20-2006, 06:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
radicaldreamer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Milton, Ontario, Canada Age: 20 Posts: 301	Re: Protect the VIP comes with the mod, i suppose, i mean...the admins didn't restrict those, so i assume it's the mod __________________

02-20-2006, 08:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Acid Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 3,581	Re: Protect the VIP Would it make it more tactical if the speed of the VIP was reduced? I mean, a hostage shouldn't be able to run as fast as a trained CT, and then that would make the CT's have to think of the slower moving VIP and cover him. __________________

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