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**P8riot** · 02-20-2006, 06:02 PM

A raised floor in an educational facility located in the United States.

Wha'? You ask? I've asked everywhere.. why not here? I am taking the lead on a project that involves the integration of a raised floor deck in all of the classrooms of a new public high school we are designing. Right now I know more about raised floors than I ever cared to know.. BUT..

We can't find any that have been done before in a K-12 facility.

If you or someone you know, knows anything about the existence of such a facility.. please contact me with the details.. there is no finders fee.. just my undying gratitude.

Wha? Now, Why? For the curious - the school is destined to be a real nice piece of work with approximately 3000 (or more) thin client workstations.. wiring, both building and data/low-voltage.. will go very nicely in a low-profile flooring space.

Think about it.. I'm hoping for a collective research/brainpower payoff!

Thanks!

**CingularDuality** · 02-20-2006, 06:28 PM

Not K-12, but the satellite communications school that I went to in Fort Gordon, GA had a raised floor.

perry · 02-21-2006, 12:04 AM

This sounds like a good question to pose in the AskSlashdot section of /. In fact, there was a recent thread looking for school district admins that got a fair number of replies...

ScratchMonkey · 02-21-2006, 03:22 AM

Rather than overly-constrain the solution by specifying a raised floor, you might want to first ask how best to wire a K-12 facility for ubiquitous computing. The answer might not be the raised floor. The floor is nice for bringing power and gigabit fiber into dense workstation layouts, but it may be sufficient to lay it through your table system, perhaps using cable ducting.

Here's a good trade journal on the subject of cabling:

http://cim.pennnet.com/

**P8riot** · 02-21-2006, 09:18 AM

Thanks guys.. I am checking all of this out. We've got a ton of high-profile examples of existing facilities.. CIA Regional in Orlando, Amex in Miami, Epcot Center, Webster University, etc.. So we're going to be checking everything on this one I think.

Scratch - We get CIM.. asked to do articles for them at the last BiCSi conference in Nashville.. haven't had time yet - playing too much BF2 after work I guess. You just reminded me I need to look up the contact info I had for that. We've addressed density already.. 30-40 workstations per classroom qualifies for pretty good density planning for active zones and wireless overlays. The furniture planning is also a pretty neat design too.. modular / built-in hardware - without being proprietary or overly restricting. 3 of 4 walls for each classroom will probably be demountable - but not your normal demountable.. They actually seem sturdier than your typical framed / constructed wall.

The school is scheduled to open in 2008 I think and we've been working on concept design for 6 months.. about ready to move on... finally.

ScratchMonkey · 02-21-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by P8riot

The school is scheduled to open in 2008 I think and we've been working on concept design for 6 months.. about ready to move on... finally.

Do you have an age limit? Can I apply for kindergarten there?

**P8riot** · 02-21-2006, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey

Do you have an age limit? Can I apply for kindergarten there?

I know.. its crazy. I went to school / grew up in these districts. So many say they wouldn't do it over again.. I sure would!

This particular school is a licensed radioactive materials storage facility with a Cesium exposure vault - they study radiation effects in class... for real... very cool stuff.

ScratchMonkey · 02-22-2006, 12:11 PM

Ok, now you're just teasing me. Next you'll tell me you have rubidium lasers for an atomic clock class.

**P8riot** · 02-22-2006, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey

Ok, now you're just teasing me. Next you'll tell me you have rubidium lasers for an atomic clock class.

No, but they also have their own planetarium.

**Apophis** · 02-22-2006, 12:14 PM

I've been in a couple schools that had certain classrooms with raised flooring, but never throughout the complete facility.

ScratchMonkey · 02-22-2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P8riot

No, but they also have their own planetarium.

And here I thought our community college was special because it had a planetarium.

/me pouts

I feel like I live in some backwards 3rd world country.

**P8riot** · 02-22-2006, 12:25 PM

That's been my experience as well. Many of the sim and ops buildings at Pensacola NAS were old-style raised.

Steelcase, Flexfloor, and Tate all have a floor that provides 2.75" of clearance underneath.. exactly 1U fits without friction. So it isn't your 'typical' raised floor.. it's 'just enough' for your power and data and not enough for anyone else to stick their stuff down there..

perry · 02-22-2006, 08:33 PM

Ohhhh.. Steelcase. If you order a bunch of stuff from them, be a pal and throw in an extra Leap chair for me

Never underestimage the damage kids can cause...

**P8riot** · 02-22-2006, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perry

Ohhhh.. Steelcase. If you order a bunch of stuff from them, be a pal and throw in an extra Leap chair for me

Never underestimage the damage kids can cause...

LMAO.. right on!

I never underestimate the damge kids can cause.. I was one that did

**P8riot** · 08-30-2007, 05:55 PM

Brief interview of the Architect we are working with on the project -

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...201/REALESTATE

02-20-2006, 06:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	National Search for... A raised floor in an educational facility located in the United States. Wha'? You ask? I've asked everywhere.. why not here? I am taking the lead on a project that involves the integration of a raised floor deck in all of the classrooms of a new public high school we are designing. Right now I know more about raised floors than I ever cared to know.. BUT.. We can't find any that have been done before in a K-12 facility. If you or someone you know, knows anything about the existence of such a facility.. please contact me with the details.. there is no finders fee.. just my undying gratitude. Wha? Now, Why? For the curious - the school is destined to be a real nice piece of work with approximately 3000 (or more) thin client workstations.. wiring, both building and data/low-voltage.. will go very nicely in a low-profile flooring space. Think about it.. I'm hoping for a collective research/brainpower payoff! Thanks! __________________ Age of Conan: Tharashk (Taxiarchos), Thaumiel (alt), guild Ars Tactika - Cimmeria XBox360 GamerTag: P8riotOne (but it might also be my son playing - he can game with TG tho!)

02-20-2006, 06:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
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02-21-2006, 12:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: National Search for... This sounds like a good question to pose in the AskSlashdot section of /. In fact, there was a recent thread looking for school district admins that got a fair number of replies... __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

02-21-2006, 03:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,565	Re: National Search for... Rather than overly-constrain the solution by specifying a raised floor, you might want to first ask how best to wire a K-12 facility for ubiquitous computing. The answer might not be the raised floor. The floor is nice for bringing power and gigabit fiber into dense workstation layouts, but it may be sufficient to lay it through your table system, perhaps using cable ducting. Here's a good trade journal on the subject of cabling: http://cim.pennnet.com/ __________________

02-21-2006, 09:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	Re: National Search for... Thanks guys.. I am checking all of this out. We've got a ton of high-profile examples of existing facilities.. CIA Regional in Orlando, Amex in Miami, Epcot Center, Webster University, etc.. So we're going to be checking everything on this one I think. Scratch - We get CIM.. asked to do articles for them at the last BiCSi conference in Nashville.. haven't had time yet - playing too much BF2 after work I guess. You just reminded me I need to look up the contact info I had for that. We've addressed density already.. 30-40 workstations per classroom qualifies for pretty good density planning for active zones and wireless overlays. The furniture planning is also a pretty neat design too.. modular / built-in hardware - without being proprietary or overly restricting. 3 of 4 walls for each classroom will probably be demountable - but not your normal demountable.. They actually seem sturdier than your typical framed / constructed wall. The school is scheduled to open in 2008 I think and we've been working on concept design for 6 months.. about ready to move on... finally. __________________ Age of Conan: Tharashk (Taxiarchos), Thaumiel (alt), guild Ars Tactika - Cimmeria XBox360 GamerTag: P8riotOne (but it might also be my son playing - he can game with TG tho!)

02-22-2006, 12:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,565	Re: National Search for... Ok, now you're just teasing me. Next you'll tell me you have rubidium lasers for an atomic clock class. __________________

02-22-2006, 12:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Apophis Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 36 Posts: 8,974	Re: National Search for... I've been in a couple schools that had certain classrooms with raised flooring, but never throughout the complete facility. __________________ Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

02-22-2006, 12:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	Re: National Search for... That's been my experience as well. Many of the sim and ops buildings at Pensacola NAS were old-style raised. Steelcase, Flexfloor, and Tate all have a floor that provides 2.75" of clearance underneath.. exactly 1U fits without friction. So it isn't your 'typical' raised floor.. it's 'just enough' for your power and data and not enough for anyone else to stick their stuff down there.. __________________ Age of Conan: Tharashk (Taxiarchos), Thaumiel (alt), guild Ars Tactika - Cimmeria XBox360 GamerTag: P8riotOne (but it might also be my son playing - he can game with TG tho!)

02-22-2006, 08:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: National Search for... Ohhhh.. Steelcase. If you order a bunch of stuff from them, be a pal and throw in an extra Leap chair for me Never underestimage the damage kids can cause... __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

08-30-2007, 05:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	Re: National Search for... Brief interview of the Architect we are working with on the project - http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...201/REALESTATE __________________ Age of Conan: Tharashk (Taxiarchos), Thaumiel (alt), guild Ars Tactika - Cimmeria XBox360 GamerTag: P8riotOne (but it might also be my son playing - he can game with TG tho!)

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