Finally, we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' argument!

kornkobcom · 03-17-2006, 12:00 PM

Because EA finally just took over outright.

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/boa...threadid=65537

Not that EA wasn't calling all the shots before anyway but at least this one nitpick is now gone.

Trooper · 03-17-2006, 12:05 PM

alls i can say is wow, thats gonna change alot of the gameing market as we know it

TychoCelchuuu · 03-17-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trooper[SNPR]

alls i can say is wow, thats gonna change alot of the gameing market as we know it

No it isn't. DICE has made like, 3 games. That's tiny.

Trooper · 03-17-2006, 12:09 PM

Yeah but now that EA has the capabilities to create its own games and basically control every single aspect of them, release, PR, developement its gonna create some problems for those companies out there that just arent as big as EA. I dont know maybe thats just me that sees a bad outcome of this

kornkobcom · 03-17-2006, 12:11 PM

Besides, EA has owned controlling stock for a little over a year and basically controlled DICE for longer than that (a developer's publisher exerts a great deal of control over the developer in the current gaming market).

The Publisher/developer relationship generally works like this when they are separate: The Developer is basically producing a product to the publisher’s specifications on a negotiated timeline with specific milestones that need to be met along the way. If the Developer fails to meet those milestones at any point the Publisher can back away but more commonly renegotiates the deal to try and recoup their investment.

Short form: The Developer generally works for the Publisher, not the other way around. All this purchase does is cut down EA's need to 'negotiate' with DICE on the next game. Now they can just say 'make it go'.

As for seeing a bad outcome--- if you're not alrady seeing the EA behavior poke it's head out then maybe you're overlooking the flaws that EA has declined to really address in BF2, instead moving forward with their 'map pack' revenue stream.

Lorian · 03-17-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TychoCelchuuu

No it isn't. DICE has made like, 3 games. That's tiny.

They have actually made quite a few games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Illusions_CE

Though to be honest, most of them don't sound very good

perry · 03-17-2006, 12:23 PM

http://global.dice.se/press/pressrel...8-6a12aa901721

What happened to Westwood when EA got ahold of them? Bye bye time for DICE?

Turbo · 03-17-2006, 12:25 PM

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...arguement.html

Trooper · 03-17-2006, 12:27 PM

and another one bites the dust

perry · 03-17-2006, 12:28 PM

Never have liked cats! Wasn't there on my refresh I guess. That's what I get for having 10 tabs open

Trooper · 03-17-2006, 12:28 PM

hey its okay...linux will do that to you...LIE!

Turbo · 03-17-2006, 12:29 PM

I edited out because it wasn't like you would really be searching for that. I don't think you killed any cats, came close but I don't think it counts.

perry · 03-17-2006, 12:37 PM

Oh well, someone w/ mod powers can prune/delete/merge threads...

**Shiner** · 03-17-2006, 01:24 PM

Go Go EA stock. Owned it for years and have been reaping the rewards in my portfolio's unrealized return.

jepzilla · 03-17-2006, 02:28 PM

I hope EA don't make too many changes within DICE. As much as I've bitched about particular aspects of BF2 it really is extremely well done. I have fewer technical problems with it than any other game, and it's still fun months and months after release.

03-17-2006, 12:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
kornkobcom Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 327	Finally we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' arguement Because EA finally just took over outright. http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/boa...threadid=65537 Not that EA wasn't calling all the shots before anyway but at least this one nitpick is now gone. __________________ Kornkob I want to move to Theory. Everything works in Theory.

03-17-2006, 12:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 26 Posts: 9,016	Re: Finally we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' arguement alls i can say is wow, thats gonna change alot of the gameing market as we know it __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

03-17-2006, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 26 Posts: 9,016	Re: Finally we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' arguement Yeah but now that EA has the capabilities to create its own games and basically control every single aspect of them, release, PR, developement its gonna create some problems for those companies out there that just arent as big as EA. I dont know maybe thats just me that sees a bad outcome of this __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

03-17-2006, 12:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
kornkobcom Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 327	Re: Finally we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' arguement Besides, EA has owned controlling stock for a little over a year and basically controlled DICE for longer than that (a developer's publisher exerts a great deal of control over the developer in the current gaming market). The Publisher/developer relationship generally works like this when they are separate: The Developer is basically producing a product to the publisher’s specifications on a negotiated timeline with specific milestones that need to be met along the way. If the Developer fails to meet those milestones at any point the Publisher can back away but more commonly renegotiates the deal to try and recoup their investment. Short form: The Developer generally works for the Publisher, not the other way around. All this purchase does is cut down EA's need to 'negotiate' with DICE on the next game. Now they can just say 'make it go'. As for seeing a bad outcome--- if you're not alrady seeing the EA behavior poke it's head out then maybe you're overlooking the flaws that EA has declined to really address in BF2, instead moving forward with their 'map pack' revenue stream. __________________ Kornkob I want to move to Theory. Everything works in Theory.

03-17-2006, 12:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Finally, we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' argument! http://global.dice.se/press/pressrel...8-6a12aa901721 What happened to Westwood when EA got ahold of them? Bye bye time for DICE? __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

03-17-2006, 12:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...arguement.html __________________

03-17-2006, 12:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 26 Posts: 9,016	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA and another one bites the dust __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

03-17-2006, 12:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA Never have liked cats! Wasn't there on my refresh I guess. That's what I get for having 10 tabs open __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

03-17-2006, 12:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 26 Posts: 9,016	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA hey its okay...linux will do that to you...LIE! __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

03-17-2006, 12:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Turbo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Age: 26 Posts: 3,935	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA I edited out because it wasn't like you would really be searching for that. I don't think you killed any cats, came close but I don't think it counts. __________________

03-17-2006, 12:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: Poor, poor DICE - being sucked up by EA Oh well, someone w/ mod powers can prune/delete/merge threads... __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

03-17-2006, 01:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
Shiner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 30 Posts: 2,259	Re: Finally we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' arguement Go Go EA stock. Owned it for years and have been reaping the rewards in my portfolio's unrealized return. __________________

03-17-2006, 02:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
jepzilla Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Halifax, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 1,232	Re: Finally, we can stop the 'But EA isn't the Dev' argument! I hope EA don't make too many changes within DICE. As much as I've bitched about particular aspects of BF2 it really is extremely well done. I have fewer technical problems with it than any other game, and it's still fun months and months after release.

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