Inside the cockpit

**leejo** · 07-18-2006, 07:05 PM

Diary of an Israeli F-16 pilot: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

**CingularDuality** · 07-18-2006, 11:12 PM

I heard this morning that Israel had flown over 2000 sorties and that there have been less than 200 civilian Lebanese casualties. That's impressive.

**Grunt 70** · 07-19-2006, 02:21 PM

Tell that to the poor families and poeple who have to bury the innocents. While I see your point I'm not sure impressive is the right word. Lucky maybe?

Don't get me wrong...I realize the low number of casualties means each sortie is carefully planned and targeted...I guess I just wanted to put in a word for those that we're caught in the crossfire.

**CingularDuality** · 07-20-2006, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grunt 70

Tell that to the poor families and poeple who have to bury the innocents. While I see your point I'm not sure impressive is the right word. Lucky maybe?

Don't get me wrong...I realize the low number of casualties means each sortie is carefully planned and targeted...I guess I just wanted to put in a word for those that we're caught in the crossfire.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that war isn't hell. But it's still impressive.

**PanzerHans** · 07-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Other numbers are posted in the news in Europe (BBC world). 300+ civilian casualtes, 1/3 of theese are childere(UN numbers).

**Switchcraft** · 07-24-2006, 03:45 AM

Do you have a link for that? What I found on BBC World was 362 Lebanese killed, "many of them civilians."

If what you say is true, then theIsraelis haven't actually managed to kill any hezbollah members at all, and I find that unlikely.

**CingularDuality** · 07-24-2006, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switchcraft

Do you have a link for that? What I found on BBC World was 362 Lebanese killed, "many of them civilians."

If what you say is true, then theIsraelis haven't actually managed to kill any hezbollah members at all, and I find that unlikely.

I don't understand. Are you saying that the BBC was claiming that there have only been 362 people killed by Israel? Total? That number seems way too low...

Huh...

I'm getting the same numbers, though:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYT

The deaths brought the toll to at least 380, Lebanese authorities said. Lebanon does not differentiate between civilian deaths and the deaths of Hezbollah fighters. The Israeli military says it has killed more than 100 Hezbollah fighters. The military also said that Hezbollah had fired nearly 100 rockets on northern Israel on Sunday, showing no slackening of the pace in recent days.

Two people were killed when at least 13 rockets fell on Haifa, the country's third-largest city, bringing Israel's civilian death toll in the 12-day conflict to 17. Israel has lost 19 soldiers in the fighting.

Of course, it is the Times, so who knows how accurate it is...

**Switchcraft** · 07-24-2006, 12:01 PM

That's exactly what they reported. If you have other numbers, by all means, link them. I'm curious to see who is saying what.

**PanzerHans** · 07-24-2006, 04:00 PM

I got the numbers from a newsreport on BBC world-TV(while at vacation). The 1/3 child part was also from TV, it was Jan EGeland(UN) speaking on how this conflict is hurting civilians on Arab side.

http://politics.netscape.com/story/2...ldren-says-un/

07-18-2006, 07:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,514	Inside the cockpit Diary of an Israeli F-16 pilot: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

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CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 16,606	Re: Inside the cockpit I heard this morning that Israel had flown over 2000 sorties and that there have been less than 200 civilian Lebanese casualties. That's impressive. __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

07-19-2006, 02:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Grunt 70 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 43 Posts: 2,402	Re: Inside the cockpit Tell that to the poor families and poeple who have to bury the innocents. While I see your point I'm not sure impressive is the right word. Lucky maybe? Don't get me wrong...I realize the low number of casualties means each sortie is carefully planned and targeted...I guess I just wanted to put in a word for those that we're caught in the crossfire. __________________ \|TG-22nd\|Grunt "When force is necessary, it must be applied boldly, decisively, and completely. But one must know the limitations of force; one must know when to blend force with maneuver" - Leon Trotsky

07-22-2006, 10:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
PanzerHans Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: By the PC Age: 35 Posts: 2,249	Re: Inside the cockpit Other numbers are posted in the news in Europe (BBC world). 300+ civilian casualtes, 1/3 of theese are childere(UN numbers). __________________ TG-E1st TacticalGamer European Division - having fun on the battlefield, the "TG way"

07-24-2006, 03:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 30 Posts: 870	Re: Inside the cockpit Do you have a link for that? What I found on BBC World was 362 Lebanese killed, "many of them civilians." If what you say is true, then theIsraelis haven't actually managed to kill any hezbollah members at all, and I find that unlikely.

07-24-2006, 12:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 30 Posts: 870	Re: Inside the cockpit That's exactly what they reported. If you have other numbers, by all means, link them. I'm curious to see who is saying what.

07-24-2006, 04:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
PanzerHans Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: By the PC Age: 35 Posts: 2,249	Re: Inside the cockpit I got the numbers from a newsreport on BBC world-TV(while at vacation). The 1/3 child part was also from TV, it was Jan EGeland(UN) speaking on how this conflict is hurting civilians on Arab side. http://politics.netscape.com/story/2...ldren-says-un/ __________________ TG-E1st TacticalGamer European Division - having fun on the battlefield, the "TG way"

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