Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF?

tpg0007 · 08-26-2006, 10:40 PM

It wouldn't be so bad if the fabled AA kit existed...

Overall it just seems that POE is not very infantry friendly, unless you're a machine-gun-sniper-rifle wielding maniac. The static AAs are not bad at downing choppers, more effective than the stingers, but don't seem very useful against fast-moving jets.

RocketPunch · 08-26-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tpg0007

It wouldn't be so bad if the fabled AA kit existed...

Overall it just seems that POE is not very infantry friendly, unless you're a machine-gun-sniper-rifle wielding maniac. The static AAs are not bad at downing choppers, more effective than the stingers, but don't seem very useful against fast-moving jets.

I think it had more to do with the blast radius of the shells than the helo iteself.

FriedFish · 08-26-2006, 10:46 PM

The AA kit exists. It's a pick up, which means you'll have to learn where it spawns so you can go pick it up.

Snail88 · 08-26-2006, 10:47 PM

why they gave transport choppers rockets is beyond me. The AA kit does exist but very rarely. I got to try it out and i couldnt hit anything. The missile disappered every time i fired it. They are def over powered in my opinion.

Beatnik · 08-26-2006, 10:50 PM

Yeah the splash damage on the helo and the AA (when fired at infantry) was significantly bigger than vanilla. There should be at least balanced attack helos on maps though. On one we played tonight (a winter map), I swear only one team had an attack helo.

**Tempus** · 08-26-2006, 11:05 PM

I am sure there are many balance issues that will be addressed with future patches of the game. It is brand new, so keep that in mind.

munchkin · 08-26-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatnik

Yeah the splash damage on the helo and the AA (when fired at infantry) was significantly bigger than vanilla. There should be at least balanced attack helos on maps though. On one we played tonight (a winter map), I swear only one team had an attack helo.

Yep, on one of them the Germans have the quick, nimble and fully loaded attack helo. The Ukrainian counter is a transport-helo with a gun strapped on.

perry · 08-26-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by munchkin

Yep, on one of them the Germans have the quick, nimble and fully loaded attack helo. The Ukrainian counter is a transport-helo with a gun strapped on.

Pretty mean transport helo though! Pilot gets a nice cannon and 64 dumb rockets. Gunner gets 4 each of air-to-air and air-to-ground rockets. I found that it is pretty sloppy in the handling department, but I don't feel that it is at all unbalanced against the Eurotiger.

Calvin · 08-27-2006, 05:32 AM

I thought the Hind handled very nimbly, it is comparable to the Tiger.

millipede777 · 08-27-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by perry

I found that it is pretty sloppy in the handling department

I agree. I had a really hard time flying the POE2 helos yesterday, but I've never had a problem flying the vanilla choppers (except maybe the Aircow when trying to dodge AA).

The choppers do seem to have a LOT of firepower, but the jets can cut them to ribbons in one pass. I didn't have a hard time shooting down low flying jets with the stationary AA cannon thingie, and there is usually lots of AA vehicles avaliable on levels with jets too.

Santa · 08-27-2006, 02:58 PM

Mantis and I were in a chopper yesterday and were able to stay alive the entire round, at least until the last 8 tickets. Having been attacked by them and being in one, i can safely say they are a bit over powered now. The mobile AAs are incredibly effective though, but there just doesnt seem to be enough of them on the majority of the maps. Adding a few would probably help.

Kilrogg · 08-27-2006, 06:26 PM

Choppers having laser guided missiles is a bit silly.

All of the air vehicles I've flown feel like they're made out of plastic. They have no weight to them like the BF2 ones.

perry · 08-27-2006, 08:11 PM

The laser guided missles aren't one-hit kills against armor though, and the chaff that the armor shoots out actually works -- I watched one of my missles lose lock mid-flight and chase a piece. Unarmor vehicles and vehicles w/o chaff are toast, but they're pretty vulnerable anyways.

**IRS_Agent** · 08-27-2006, 08:55 PM

In regards to the pick-up AA, it is effective. I was in one of those REALLY tall farmhouse buildings and I was able to keep Bhack (it might hav been bleak) off the flag we were defending. When I was killed the chopper took out all our defending armor and we lost the flag. So the mobile AA does work, but it's more for defense against attack helos. Also, I must have fired off 30 rockets total and it seems it takes out a chopper in 2 hits.

Kilrogg · 08-27-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by perry

The laser guided missles aren't one-hit kills against armor though, and the chaff that the armor shoots out actually works -- I watched one of my missles lose lock mid-flight and chase a piece. Unarmor vehicles and vehicles w/o chaff are toast, but they're pretty vulnerable anyways.

Seemed like one hit kills for me. The chaff works yes but it's still easy to just wait for it then fire, or if there's a lot of armor in the same place (and that happens a lot) the missile will usually hit one of them regardless of the chaff.

08-26-2006, 10:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
tpg0007 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 64	Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? It wouldn't be so bad if the fabled AA kit existed... Overall it just seems that POE is not very infantry friendly, unless you're a machine-gun-sniper-rifle wielding maniac. The static AAs are not bad at downing choppers, more effective than the stingers, but don't seem very useful against fast-moving jets. __________________

08-26-2006, 10:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
FriedFish Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 928	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? The AA kit exists. It's a pick up, which means you'll have to learn where it spawns so you can go pick it up.

08-26-2006, 10:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Beatnik Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Age: 33 Posts: 4,322	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? Yeah the splash damage on the helo and the AA (when fired at infantry) was significantly bigger than vanilla. There should be at least balanced attack helos on maps though. On one we played tonight (a winter map), I swear only one team had an attack helo. __________________ -F- Beatnik

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Santa Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 3,355	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? Mantis and I were in a chopper yesterday and were able to stay alive the entire round, at least until the last 8 tickets. Having been attacked by them and being in one, i can safely say they are a bit over powered now. The mobile AAs are incredibly effective though, but there just doesnt seem to be enough of them on the majority of the maps. Adding a few would probably help.

08-27-2006, 06:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kilrogg Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,146	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? Choppers having laser guided missiles is a bit silly. All of the air vehicles I've flown feel like they're made out of plastic. They have no weight to them like the BF2 ones.

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perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? The laser guided missles aren't one-hit kills against armor though, and the chaff that the armor shoots out actually works -- I watched one of my missles lose lock mid-flight and chase a piece. Unarmor vehicles and vehicles w/o chaff are toast, but they're pretty vulnerable anyways. __________________ Battlefield Admin(BF2 Rules) (BF2142 Rules) [volun2][medic][defense3][eng2][support] [sg-c1][gchq-c1][tog-c1][ma-c1][taw-c1][tg-c2] Support TG \| Write for TacticalWiki \| BF2 Sig. Generator \| TS Help

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IRS_Agent Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 413	Re: Are POE choppers even more overpowered than vanilla BF? In regards to the pick-up AA, it is effective. I was in one of those REALLY tall farmhouse buildings and I was able to keep Bhack (it might hav been bleak) off the flag we were defending. When I was killed the chopper took out all our defending armor and we lost the flag. So the mobile AA does work, but it's more for defense against attack helos. Also, I must have fired off 30 rockets total and it seems it takes out a chopper in 2 hits. __________________ The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving. I #83 of 213 things you cannot do in the army. 83. Must not start any SITREP (Situation Report) with "I recently had an experience I just had to write you about...."

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