Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style

Lekdevil.NL · 08-28-2006, 07:00 AM

So, how many AT shots does it really take to kill a tank? To answer that question, I took some tanks and a box o' rockets, and did some destructive testing. I used the standard German Army AT kit with the German Leopard as hapless test subject. Here are the results:

Number of AT shots to kill a tank (vanilla BF2 results added for comparison):

Code:

              Vanilla  PoE2
Body front       4      5
Turret front     4      5
Body side        3      3
Turret side      4      5 (front part) / 3 (rear part)
Body rear        2      2
Turret rear      3      3
Turret top       2      5 (front part) / 3 (rear part)
Tracks           2      3

For the visually inclined, here are some screenshots. Red = 5 hits, Yellow = 3 hits, Green = 2 hits. Phear my mad MS Paint skillz!

Conclusions: hitting a tank in the face is even more futile in PoE than it is in vanilla BF2. Don't hit any sloped part of the tank (including the front part of the turret). When hitting the rear, don't try to hit the tracks; the rear engine block is more vulnerable and a bigger target.

Happy shootin'!

Lorian · 08-28-2006, 07:43 AM

Nice investigating, thanks for the tip Lek

BHack · 08-28-2006, 08:27 AM

Excellent info. Now I know why I can't seem to kill any tanks with the AT kit.

Shafik · 08-28-2006, 09:02 AM

This is good to know, Lekdevil. Thanks.

Rick_the_new_guy · 08-28-2006, 09:05 AM

nice work, who funded your research grant?

thanks for sharing

Lekdevil.NL · 08-28-2006, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick_the_new_guy

nice work, who funded your research grant?

This study has been sponsored by the Society for the Advancement of Useless Knowledge.

Here's some more: when using a tank to shoot at tanks (firing sabot rounds, obviously), the colour codes should be interpreted as:

Red = 4 hits
Yellow = 2 hits
Green = 2 hits

Due to the unfortunate lack of flying tanks, I haven't tested firing at the top side, but I'm assuming the data for that area is still valid.

**TheFatKidDeath** · 08-28-2006, 09:56 AM

That's cool! Thanks, some good info. Sounds like I need to stop shooting the fronts of tanks!

**TG_Bubba** · 08-28-2006, 10:04 AM

Nice find, thanks for the info.

RocketPunch · 08-28-2006, 11:19 AM

Nice info.

**Tempus** · 08-28-2006, 11:24 AM

Great work!!

**IRS_Agent** · 08-28-2006, 01:20 PM

It's a lil messed up though b/c late last night I fired 5 Sabot rounds from my tank right into the back of Bommando's tank and it didn't kill him. I checked to see that I was on Sabot and I was. Also, these five tank rounds were shot at about 50m.

**Tempus** · 08-28-2006, 02:16 PM

Well, D_FAST replied to this post with a more thorough explanation of the system.

Interesting stuff.

Kilrogg · 08-28-2006, 02:23 PM

I think it should be more like vanilla since there's so many tanks in every map =/

BHack · 08-28-2006, 02:27 PM

Maybe, but have you flown the choppers lately? The stuff that does kill tanks does it well.

The maps that don't have air... well there is an equal number of tanks on each side...

But yea, infantry vs tank is going to require a more strategic approach to the fight, judging from these diagrams. More smoke and evasion I would guess.

xTYBALTx · 08-28-2006, 02:30 PM

I really like it. One rear hit for critical ---> =D =D =D

Tank angles handled reasonably ---> =D =D =D

Going to have to conduct some testing when I get home. I need more details on how tank angles are calculated.

08-28-2006, 07:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lekdevil.NL Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 38 Posts: 90	Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style So, how many AT shots does it really take to kill a tank? To answer that question, I took some tanks and a box o' rockets, and did some destructive testing. I used the standard German Army AT kit with the German Leopard as hapless test subject. Here are the results: Number of AT shots to kill a tank (vanilla BF2 results added for comparison): Code: Vanilla PoE2 Body front 4 5 Turret front 4 5 Body side 3 3 Turret side 4 5 (front part) / 3 (rear part) Body rear 2 2 Turret rear 3 3 Turret top 2 5 (front part) / 3 (rear part) Tracks 2 3 For the visually inclined, here are some screenshots. Red = 5 hits, Yellow = 3 hits, Green = 2 hits. Phear my mad MS Paint skillz! Conclusions: hitting a tank in the face is even more futile in PoE than it is in vanilla BF2. Don't hit any sloped part of the tank (including the front part of the turret). When hitting the rear, don't try to hit the tracks; the rear engine block is more vulnerable and a bigger target. Happy shootin'!

08-28-2006, 07:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lorian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Age: 18 Posts: 2,036	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Nice investigating, thanks for the tip Lek __________________ \|TG-E17th\|Lorian Member since 18th February 2006 Supporting member since 4th August 2006 PGP public key Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Memory: 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM Video Card: XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 XT 256MB Monitor: 17" Dell CRT and 15" generic LCD Sound Card: Creative X-Fi Xtrememusic and Creative Sound Blaster Live! (no Linux X-Fi drivers yet)

08-28-2006, 08:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
BHack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 1,636	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Excellent info. Now I know why I can't seem to kill any tanks with the AT kit. __________________

08-28-2006, 09:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
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08-28-2006, 09:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
TheFatKidDeath Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Santa Monica, CA Age: 39 Posts: 2,645	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style That's cool! Thanks, some good info. Sounds like I need to stop shooting the fronts of tanks!

08-28-2006, 10:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
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08-28-2006, 11:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
RocketPunch Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY, USA Posts: 1,119	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Nice info. __________________ Slow is Smooth. Smooth is Fast!

08-28-2006, 11:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,093	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Great work!! __________________ Battlefield 2/2142 Game Officer Contact me with server/player/admin issues. -- Suits are what you wear when doing things you shouldn’t want to do anyway. FROM THE TACTICAL GAMER PRIMER. 3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

08-28-2006, 01:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
IRS_Agent Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 398	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style It's a lil messed up though b/c late last night I fired 5 Sabot rounds from my tank right into the back of Bommando's tank and it didn't kill him. I checked to see that I was on Sabot and I was. Also, these five tank rounds were shot at about 50m. __________________ The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving. I #83 of 213 things you cannot do in the army. 83. Must not start any SITREP (Situation Report) with "I recently had an experience I just had to write you about...."

08-28-2006, 02:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,093	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Well, D_FAST replied to this post with a more thorough explanation of the system. Interesting stuff. __________________ Battlefield 2/2142 Game Officer Contact me with server/player/admin issues. -- Suits are what you wear when doing things you shouldn’t want to do anyway. FROM THE TACTICAL GAMER PRIMER. 3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

08-28-2006, 02:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kilrogg Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,146	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style I think it should be more like vanilla since there's so many tanks in every map =/

08-28-2006, 02:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
BHack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 1,636	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style Maybe, but have you flown the choppers lately? The stuff that does kill tanks does it well. The maps that don't have air... well there is an equal number of tanks on each side... But yea, infantry vs tank is going to require a more strategic approach to the fight, judging from these diagrams. More smoke and evasion I would guess. __________________

08-28-2006, 02:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,762	Re: Here's where to hit a tank, PoE2-style I really like it. One rear hit for critical ---> =D =D =D Tank angles handled reasonably ---> =D =D =D Going to have to conduct some testing when I get home. I need more details on how tank angles are calculated. __________________ Current good song: Justice - Stress "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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