New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice

[leejo]

Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

[Steeler]

FRANCIS: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN: I want to be one.
REG: What?
STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG: What?!
LORETTA: It's my right as a man.

[Root]

Nice to see the lawmakers are putting their time and skills to good use. Without such important legislation to write, they might end up wasting their time producing trivial stuff, like sensible crime, education and healthcare legislation.

[icky]

I LOVE the way they switch the script from STAN to LORETTA at that point. I have had the Life of Brian book since I was a kid.

And yes, I think it's great the every man (or woman) can choose what he (or she) has on his (or her) offical documents for gender. What could be more important in the world?

LORETTA: I want to have babies!

[AMosely]

What difference does it make? Really, stop making an issue out of this. It IS a personal choice as to whether one chooses to recognize themselves as mis-gendered or transgendered. Gender has more to do with physical anatomy.

I agree that it's ridiculous to politicize it, but this legislation is reactionary. Who started this debate in the first place?

[Buck Fush]

Originally Posted by AMosely

What difference does it make? Really, stop making an issue out of this. It IS a personal choice as to whether one chooses to recognize themselves as mis-gendered or transgendered. Gender has more to do with physical anatomy.

I agree that it's ridiculous to politicize it, but this legislation is reactionary. Who started this debate in the first place?

You couldn't be more wrong. One doesn't CHOOSE to be "mis-gendered" or transgendered any more than I made the choice to be a straight male. Just curious, did you make the choice at some point in your life? What pushed you over the edge?

[Lucky Shot]

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

You couldn't be more wrong. One doesn't CHOOSE to be "mis-gendered" or transgendered any more than I made the choice to be a straight male. Just curious, did you make the choice at some point in your life? What pushed you over the edge?

Guess it's worth asking... Which DNA strand was it again that controls a person's sexuality?

Lucky Shot

[leejo]

Well, I don't know luckyshot. But I'm certain that if I ever move to NY I'll be changing my birth certificate to "female" so I can use the good bathrooms. If I walk in a men's crapper who's going to stop me? If I see that there's no room in the inn, I'll just stroll into the ladies room and say hola.

[Black_V!per]

Originally Posted by leejo

Well, I don't know luckyshot. But I'm certain that if I ever move to NY I'll be changing my birth certificate to "female" so I can use the good bathrooms. If I walk in a men's crapper who's going to stop me? If I see that there's no room in the inn, I'll just stroll into the ladies room and say hola.

I can only see problems coming from this.

[SmokingTarpan]

Originally Posted by Lucky Shot

Guess it's worth asking... Which DNA strand was it again that controls a person's sexuality?

It's not so much the DNA code itself, but rather what your DNA is doing. Either it's dancing with other DNA, or looks like it's having a seizure awkwardly off by itself in a corner.



(the above joke is just that: a joke. I'm actually opposed to the idea that sexual preference is controlled by genetics)

[Arf]

Like Leejo I support this for the practicality.

Women's Basketball scholarship here I come!

[Diceman]

Originally Posted by Lucky Shot

Guess it's worth asking... Which DNA strand was it again that controls a person's sexuality?

Lucky Shot

It's the 9187th strand. Which strand is it that controls skin colour?

[AMosely]

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

You couldn't be more wrong. One doesn't CHOOSE to be "mis-gendered" or transgendered any more than I made the choice to be a straight male. Just curious, did you make the choice at some point in your life? What pushed you over the edge?

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say that being mis-gendered is a personal choice. I said choosing to recognize it or not (in other words, declare to the world how you would like to be classified) is.

Being genetically (or otherwise) inclined towards trans-gendered or homosexual is in fact a genetic condition - genetics which dictate hormone and chemical levels, which dictate brain function, which dictate sexual awareness. To those snickering, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...related_topics
http://www.msu.edu/~alliance/faq/faqtransgendered.html
http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=770
http://www.genetics-and-society.org/...ives/glbt.html

That said, I still maintain that it is a personal decision to declare one's self belonging to a particular gender, and it is a personal decision to determine how to represent that gender physically.

I've made the choice myself in that I am completely comfortable with my sexuality as a natural male.

The more poignant question here is whether or not I would feel comfortable in today's society if I believed that I really was a genetic female. I think the environment such individuals face today is hostile. Legislation like this may make them feel more comfortable in making such a decision, but I doubt that very much.

Regardless, it's not a joke, and I don't find anyone's jokes in this forum very humorous in the least. You are only displaying a complete ignorance of the human condition.

[leejo]

Originally Posted by AMosely

You are only displaying a complete ignorance of the human condition.

That's what I'll say in the ladies bathroom. "Y'all are just ignorant. 'Scuse me while I whip out my human condition."

[Buck Fush]

Originally Posted by AMosely

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Sorry, I mis-read you. I agree 100%.