The UCLA Library Incident

Evo<^|SiNz|^> · 11-17-2006, 03:14 PM

This is making the rounds in the news right now. A student who failed to identify himself to police at the UCLA Library was tased 6 times by local police because of "failure to comply". The kicker was he was actually headed *out* of the library when the incident started. He was also tased after handcuffs were on.

Article

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In my opinion, police should NEVER use this kind of force to simply achieve compliance, especially when the issues is as trivial as this. It's pretty infuriating to watch the video and read the accounts. How can these officers justify this?

Icsist · 11-17-2006, 04:03 PM

thats just disturbing

aeroripper · 11-17-2006, 04:18 PM

Seriously, 6 times? Was this even needed at all? Even if they 'needed' to tazer him once, look how many cops were there that could have just carried him out?

All that for not producing an ID card?

Panz · 11-17-2006, 04:18 PM

Reading the comments posted by people who have viewed the video, it makes me laugh how many people talk about:
"What if this person was breaking into your home?"
"What if this person was at your childs elementary school?"

Why do some people have to try to relate every situation that occurs on this planet to themselves? They need to get off of their soap boxes and focus.

This, simple put, is about one college, one student, many police and one FORGOTTEN LIBRARY CARD. Sad when you think about it.

**CingularDuality** · 11-17-2006, 04:46 PM

What a horribly inaccurate article. The article and the video contradict each other.

I don't think I would've Tazed that guy 6 times, but I don't think it was abusive. The guy was resisting arrest and trying to incite a riot (which he nearly succeeded in doing!). I think some hands on compliance techniques would've been more effective, but they would also increase the chance of injury to the criminal. That turned into an extremely dangerous situation and it probably didn't have to...

And I noticed on YouTube that there was a related video on the side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAKbp...elated&search=

Let's not forget that you can watch TG members being Tazed, too!

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Originally Posted by Panz

This, simple put, is about one college, one student, many police and one FORGOTTEN LIBRARY CARD. Sad when you think about it.

It most certainly is not. It's about a criminal that is resisting arrest. Trespassing is a crime. Originally, the police probably were there to simply escort the guy out of the computer lab. The criminal resisted and attempted to incite a riot. That's a bit more complicated of a situation...

Simple would have been if the guy had followed the rules and obeyed the law...

Icsist · 11-17-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Panz

Reading the comments posted by people who have viewed the video, it makes me laugh how many people talk about:
"What if this person was breaking into your home?"
"What if this person was at your childs elementary school?"

Why do some people have to try to relate every situation that occurs on this planet to themselves? They need to get off of their soap boxes and focus.

This, simple put, is about one college, one student, many police and one FORGOTTEN LIBRARY CARD. Sad when you think about it.

I agree.. " What if this person was breaking into your home? " and " What if this person was at your childs elementary school?"

I agree that kids would reconsider cops being there rolemodels if they came to thier school and started tazing random kids for not showing there library cards and If the cops were breaking into your house then maybe just maybe they might actually get in trouble for wrongdoing.. But I doubt it..

I know what you meant though.

Faultline · 11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

"Stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" x 42,559

I think I would've stood up...

aeroripper · 11-17-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Faultline

"Stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" x 42,559

I think I would've stood up...

Assuming he was able after being zapped for the first duration. I'd imagine his capacity to stand up was reduced after additional shocks, they should have carried him out instead of continuing to zap him.

Faultline · 11-17-2006, 05:01 PM

Maybe I misheard, but I didn't hear him speak to the officers that he couldn't stand. If that was the case that would be the next logical step (beyond standing) if it were me.

**CingularDuality** · 11-17-2006, 05:14 PM

Where's Magnum? I've been told that once the Tazing stops that the inability to move stops, too. He might not have wanted to do anything other than curl up and cry for his mommy, but I bet he could've stood up, especially with two officers helping him.

Me? I would've forcefully helped him to stand up. He also probably would've slipped out of my grasp when he struggled while going down that small flight of stairs, too, if you know what I mean...

Evo<^|SiNz|^> · 11-17-2006, 05:16 PM

Development: Victim files brutality suit.

thebleakaffinity · 11-17-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

He also probably would've slipped out of my grasp when he struggled while going down that small flight of stairs, too, if you know what I mean...

Probably not good to let sadistic comments like that slip while trying to defend the integrity of police officers.

Evo<^|SiNz|^> · 11-17-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I don't think I would've Tazed that guy 6 times, but I don't think it was abusive. The guy was resisting arrest and trying to incite a riot (which he nearly succeeded in doing!). I think some hands on compliance techniques would've been more effective, but they would also increase the chance of injury to the criminal. That turned into an extremely dangerous situation and it probably didn't have to...

I think you're missing my point. I don't see why police needed to use a taser to incapacitate this guy, other than the fact that they didn't like the attitude he was giving them. It's purely punitive. Why didn't they just cuff him in the first place when he went limp? He didn't try to "incite a riot" until after he got zapped. And honestly, if I were the victim of that kind of blatant authority abuse, I'd want as many people as possible to come see what was happening.

I'm definately not an anti-authority/cops/damn-the-man type of person, but I don't think this kind of thing should be happening in our society.

**Grunt 70** · 11-17-2006, 05:21 PM

The student was clearly in the wrong when he chose to NOT do what ever it took to comply with the officer. When you reach that point, no matter who's right or wrong, you are only making a bad situation worse.

@ Cing--thanks for spelling out your choices would've been different. Who's to say the student would've reacted any differently anyhow.

Someone said it already--Look at the segment near the end that shows an officer threatening a bystander with a taser strike if he doesn't behave. That's just a shameful The guy wasn't being agressive, he was in crowd of onlookers and not intervening in the least. For that officer to threaten him with force is just shameful. Hate to say it but thats not a surprise to me. Circle the wagons...

I know...I know...easy for us civies to say whatever we want as we don't have deal with pukey perps on a daily basis...

**CingularDuality** · 11-17-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thebleakaffinity

Probably not good to let sadistic comments like that slip while trying to defend the integrity of police officers.

Heh... My point was that the Taser is far better than the alternative. The police want him to walk on his own precisely to avoid the situation that I described. Whether he actually did slip from the officers' hands while going down the stairs, or the officer's let go of him and let him fall, the perception and the injury isn't going to be nice. The Taser prevents all that. Unfortunately, people still don't understand what a wonderful tool the Taser is... It creates pain without injury. It's the ideal tool for gaining compliance in many situations.

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Originally Posted by Grunt 70

Someone said it already--Look at the segment near the end that shows an officer threatening a bystander with a taser strike if he doesn't behave. That's just a shameful The guy wasn't being agressive, he was in crowd of onlookers and not intervening in the least. For that officer to threaten him with force is just shameful.

When there are a half dozen officers and hundreds of agitated people, the situation needs to be controlled. Telling someone to leave or they'll be Tazed is not unreasonable in the least... The whole crowd needed to be dispersed and QUICKLY! In fact, (and examining the video makes it easy to judge things. These officers didn't have that luxury.) would've been better off if they could've kept the crowd from following them out of the computer lab by blocking the doorway.

11-17-2006, 03:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Evo<^\|SiNz\|^> Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Age: 28 Posts: 1,234	The UCLA Library Incident This is making the rounds in the news right now. A student who failed to identify himself to police at the UCLA Library was tased 6 times by local police because of "failure to comply". The kicker was he was actually headed out of the library when the incident started. He was also tased after handcuffs were on. Article Video In my opinion, police should NEVER use this kind of force to simply achieve compliance, especially when the issues is as trivial as this. It's pretty infuriating to watch the video and read the accounts. How can these officers justify this? __________________ "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton, Jr.

11-17-2006, 04:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Icsist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Amherst, WI Age: 28 Posts: 315	Re: The UCLA Library Incident thats just disturbing __________________ QUOTE : "Icsist has a little shameless behavior in the past" Nice remark guys.

11-17-2006, 04:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
aeroripper Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 25 Posts: 2,291	Re: The UCLA Library Incident Seriously, 6 times? Was this even needed at all? Even if they 'needed' to tazer him once, look how many cops were there that could have just carried him out? All that for not producing an ID card?

11-17-2006, 04:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Panz Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 122	Re: The UCLA Library Incident Reading the comments posted by people who have viewed the video, it makes me laugh how many people talk about: "What if this person was breaking into your home?" "What if this person was at your childs elementary school?" Why do some people have to try to relate every situation that occurs on this planet to themselves? They need to get off of their soap boxes and focus. This, simple put, is about one college, one student, many police and one FORGOTTEN LIBRARY CARD. Sad when you think about it. __________________ "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Faultline Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tennessee Age: 30 Posts: 1,559	Re: The UCLA Library Incident "Stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" x 42,559 I think I would've stood up... __________________

11-17-2006, 05:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Faultline Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tennessee Age: 30 Posts: 1,559	Re: The UCLA Library Incident Maybe I misheard, but I didn't hear him speak to the officers that he couldn't stand. If that was the case that would be the next logical step (beyond standing) if it were me. __________________

11-17-2006, 05:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,116	Re: The UCLA Library Incident Where's Magnum? I've been told that once the Tazing stops that the inability to move stops, too. He might not have wanted to do anything other than curl up and cry for his mommy, but I bet he could've stood up, especially with two officers helping him. Me? I would've forcefully helped him to stand up. He also probably would've slipped out of my grasp when he struggled while going down that small flight of stairs, too, if you know what I mean... __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

11-17-2006, 05:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Evo<^\|SiNz\|^> Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Age: 28 Posts: 1,234	Re: The UCLA Library Incident Development: Victim files brutality suit. __________________ "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton, Jr.

11-17-2006, 05:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
Grunt 70 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 43 Posts: 2,494	Re: The UCLA Library Incident The student was clearly in the wrong when he chose to NOT do what ever it took to comply with the officer. When you reach that point, no matter who's right or wrong, you are only making a bad situation worse. @ Cing--thanks for spelling out your choices would've been different. Who's to say the student would've reacted any differently anyhow. Someone said it already--Look at the segment near the end that shows an officer threatening a bystander with a taser strike if he doesn't behave. That's just a shameful The guy wasn't being agressive, he was in crowd of onlookers and not intervening in the least. For that officer to threaten him with force is just shameful. Hate to say it but thats not a surprise to me. Circle the wagons... I know...I know...easy for us civies to say whatever we want as we don't have deal with pukey perps on a daily basis... __________________ \|TG-22nd\|Grunt "When force is necessary, it must be applied boldly, decisively, and completely. But one must know the limitations of force; one must know when to blend force with maneuver" - Leon Trotsky

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