Buggies as offensive weapons... other ideas?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Hi everyone, (Wow first TG post)

Usually in games I see people grabbing buggies (By this I mean Ocelot/Bandit) and using them as short hop transport, before they are desposed of. By experience, I know that they also aren't really all that useful for attacking large bodies of infantry either (Wheels of Hazzard aside). Then my brother and I had an idea to refine a tactic to use it as a tank killing machine.

It's faster than a tank by a long shot, so you can hunt them down all over the map. Your squad members can sit in as an Engineer (Rear seat) and Support (Main gun) while you drive. The Support spots tanks around the vehicle for the driver, who then uses the vehicle's speed and manouverability to get behind the tanks' LOS. Once there, a quick switch into rear facing view (Petition for a rear view mirror anyone?:P) will allow you to drive the vehicle with the Engineer facing towards the enemy tank. Once close enough to ensure a hit, the Engineer fires into the unprotected rear of the tank, destroying it. In the mean time the Support watches for alert enemy infantry and any support (APCs, good teamplayer Engineers in buggies) the tank may have. A quick getaway may then be made away from the scene of the crime using the vehicles' boost.

This tactic does seem rather complicated (And of course there are simpler solo versions) but when you think of the asset value of a tank versus a buggy, and then register the amount of damage the tank would do when it got to its destination (If not in kills then at least in infantry intimidation) then suddenly driving quickly around the map all round doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Once you have the tactic refined you can actually start racking up fair numbers of points.

Obviously good communication over mic is abslutly necessary due to the vulnerability of the buggy during firing/hunting. It should also be noted that tanks can turn their LOS faster than you can run circles around them.
With two full buggies (A single six man squad) it's hard to see how enemy tanks could get a word in on the outcome of the battle, leaving your tanks free to attack without fear of the enemy armour.

Any other unorthadox ideas?

[TG_Bubba]

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[Shiner]

Nice suggestion and welcome to TG. I think this is feasible with a 2 players used to working together. I would almost rather have the jeep do a quick pass behind the tank, with the eng jumping out to take the shot. If he gets the tanks the jeep comes back and picks up the shooter. If the eng misses he can hide/reload and re-engage. If the tank kills the eng the jeep and hopefully the SL is still alive in the distance ready for another run.

I just find hitting something in a moving jeep is pretty hard, let alone using one of the AT guns.

Admin can we get this moved into the tactics forum?

[Lorian]

At first I thought this was going to be ramming, which is of course against the rules, but this is actually a pretty good idea. It could be intrduced as part of a fast action squad. When a flag is under attack from a tank, the fast action squad could come in and destroy it from behind.

[LuckyStrike]

Good idea. You can also drop motion mines from the back seat too.

I used the jeep against tank method in BF1942, BF2 but not so much in 2142. I would drive past a tank in 1942 and hit them in the a$$ with my bazooka. great fun.

[Gillespie]

Unless you're up against someone in a tank who (like me) has their land vehicle sensitivity up at 5.0, which lets me traverse my turret to the rear with a small motion of the mouse. Unless they're extremely distant at moving, I don't have too much of a problem with a Jeep.

I'm thinking this tactic would work best if you snuck up behind the tank (especially those individuals who choose to sit in one spot and camp in armor without checking their rear) in a Jeep and - as Shiner suggested - you drop off the Engineer for some quick anti-armor duty, then return to pick him up once complete.

As a fast-attack/quick-reaction vehicle, though, yeah! Great idea.

[Yoyi]

Originally Posted by Gillespie

Unless you're up against someone in a tank who (like me) has their land vehicle sensitivity up at 5.0, which lets me traverse my turret to the rear with a small motion of the mouse. Unless they're extremely distant at moving, I don't have too much of a problem with a Jeep.

I'm thinking this tactic would work best if you snuck up behind the tank (especially those individuals who choose to sit in one spot and camp in armor without checking their rear) in a Jeep and - as Shiner suggested - you drop off the Engineer for some quick anti-armor duty, then return to pick him up once complete.

As a fast-attack/quick-reaction vehicle, though, yeah! Great idea.

I agree. When you get pretty good at calculating distances and vehicle trajectory you can take out a jeep with a tank.

I like the idea though and I am willing to give it a try. The one that I see as the biggest problem would be the Pac tank as it can srife and shoot. Although I like the EU tank better for sniping, the Pac tank takes the cake in movility and close combat fighting.

You would have to sneak up unoticed on the pac tank otherwise it will not show you its rear.

I like the fast reaction idea alot. Keep a support, assault, engeneer in a squad just running around the map taking out those 1-2 people that get through to a back point.

[Exploding_Silver]

F11 = rear view mirror of sorts
Also can drop mines from F3 rear seat while moving, but have to get very close, driver needs to call it out as rear view has little visibility for timing

[Elite_Master]

Yea good idea; the buggy/engineer-dropping-mines scenario could also be extra effective if you are in a covered area (not out in the open) and you know the tank location on the map but there is no visibility btw you and the tank, by circling the tanks location and dropping mines on the only drivable escape routes then driving away and parking the buggy safely behind a corner and approach the circle of mines.. once the tank gets close to one of them fire a rail gun and it should net you a kill.. I've also seen people in a dropship use this method.. the tank turret can only raise so high and the dropship can hover directly over it while an engineer throws out mines.. there is no way to save the tank in this scenario unless somehow the dropship is taken out - using the tank machine gun turret can get it but as long as the dropship pilot countermeasures before hovering right over the tank, it should give the engie more than enough time to drop as many mines needed to kill the tank.

[Pronin]

On infantry maps, simply parking a buggy near a flag or chokepoint (but not too close to it) and switching to the gunner seat, you can usually rack 2-3 kills before a tank or an engineer gets to you (get out of the buggy or move it to a different spot before that happens).

The gun on a buggy has significant range and accuracy advantage over all infantry weapons.

Position it so that the rear is facing the enemy. It's a good idea because it gives you some protection from incoming bullets and an escape route.

[chaf3d]

Originally Posted by Pronin

On infantry maps, simply parking a buggy near a flag or chokepoint (but not too close to it) and switching to the gunner seat, you can usually rack 2-3 kills before a tank or an engineer gets to you (get out of the buggy or move it to a different spot before that happens).

The gun on a buggy has significant range and accuracy advantage over all infantry weapons.

Position it so that the rear is facing the enemy. It's a good idea because it gives you some protection from incoming bullets and an escape route.

The Assault class rockets are pretty effective in taking out the biggies...

[Sir. AAK625]

I did this the other day with a teammate. We drove full speed at the enemy Walker, through its legs, and stopped for a second on the other side to blast him with our AT weapons.

We got killed by infantry but, we destroyed the Walker.

[Elite_Master]

Buggies can be useful too if working with a Walker to trap the enemy armor from escaping .. case in point my friend hid a walker around a corner and we saw a tank approaching he fired a railgun (up went the countermeasures) the tank charged down the alley and I then drove like a mad man up to the back of the tank right after he stopped to look, I got out and escaped and told my friend to attack - he comes around the corner on the PAC tank with a walker up close and personal and the tank had no countermeasures and it couldn't back up (escape) because the damn buggy was in the way! Needless to say, it was dead meat.

[kperkins1982]

RDX Jeep,

Have you seen people do this? They will load up their jeep with rdx, and go 100mph into a tank, jump out at the last second, and blow it up.

That is the most frustrating thing to ever have happen to you as a tank driver

[Zoopy_T]

Originally Posted by kperkins1982

RDX Jeep,

Have you seen people do this? They will load up their jeep with rdx, and go 100mph into a tank, jump out at the last second, and blow it up.

That is the most frustrating thing to ever have happen to you as a tank driver

This is known as "Jihad Jeeping" and is preaty much frownd upon since it's a suicide tactic. Altough in 2142 it's much easier to survive from this tactic due to the boosters in the buggy. I'm preaty sure TG will kick you if you contantly use this tactic.