Validity of waiting for the medic?

[Sam Hoy]

Recently, when playing the new maps, as well as the old ones particularly Orel I have discovered an extremely effect tactic for eliminating vital medical personnel. It involves waiting around the corner of building with high traffic, then as someone runs past I give them a burst with my submachine gun critically wounding them. I use to just change position after this encounter to avoid being detected however more and more often I am drawing my AP RPG and staying there waiting for the inevitable revive. Almost always the medic runs up with their shock paddles, smoke or no smoke they make a quick revive and then both of them get blown away by a rocket. And then I can normally repeat this until I run out of rockets. Variations of this include throwing a grenade or baiting the body with C4 or a claymore. Technically I suppose this isn't against the rules, however I can't help but feel a little dirty about this. I guess my question is, do we have rules against this, and what are your personal feelings? Also do you think this tactic is an effective defensive move?

[Wimpinator]

While I haven't done the C4 or rocket thing I often wait for the medic when playing support. Keep the cross hairs on your last victim for a second then wait. If the medic throws smoke don't move the gun, keep it where it was. Wait just a moment and then open up on the area. I have gotten group kills of as many as 3 this way plus denied the other squad their medic(s) for a little bit.

[Rick_the_new_guy]

/Rick skims his book case for the specific book he is looking for.

Ric: Aww yes, here it is, "How to Get 100 Plus Kills as Infantry During a Scrim", by FBmantis.

/Rick then flips through the table of contents, and finds Chapter 4, "Show No Mercy to the Medics."

So to answer your question Sam, play on my friend, play on.

[WhiskeySix]

Originally Posted by Rick_the_new_guy

/Rick skims his book case for the specific book he is looking for.

Ric: Aww yes, here it is, "How to Get 100 Plus Kills as Infantry During a Scrim", by FBmantis.

/Rick then flips through the table of contents, and finds Chapter 4, "Show No Mercy to the Medics."

So to answer your question Sam, play on my friend, play on.

[Red]

There is no rule on this and I dont think we need one.

But generally if you put the baiting into a system you will not add to a good game enviroment. TG is trying to create a good gaming enviroment so if your tactics feel dirty consider using it less or when your side is loosing.

Its all about balance, sometimes dirty tactics are not a problem, but never when used all the time.

[Wimpinator]

The only thing that seems shady here is the use of Rockets and C4. I have always taken the approach of "If it seems questionable then don't do it".

[[tR]Greasy_mullet]

I think it is a valid tactic. It is used in war all the time. Down a guy and wait for his mates to come to his rescue and then cut them down. I am all about ambush tactics!

[icky]

I see no problem with anything you described. Medics who run into dangerous territory should be put down like the dogs that they are.

[Santa]

On the contrary, medics with no testosterone should be killed like the dogs they are.

[Lucky Shot]

Sounds pretty darn fair to me! Rocket fire away! That's why my squads have 2 medics! 1 to revive, 1 to defib you no good rocket punks while your reloading... Bait those darn baiters.

Lucky Shot

[marstein]

Dam you Sam Hoy - haven't you heard about the Geneva Conventions?

[Braidedheadman]

I was just going to mention that; something about prohibitions against undue suffering on the battlefield, firing upon Red Cross personnel when they are clearly marked as non-combatants, and the rights of an injured man to succor and aid. :P I could be wrong as I am not 100% sure of my facts, and obviously BF2 is not a RL simulation (there is no undue suffering and medics are almost certainly combatants on the battlefield). But still, it'd make a good research project; learn something new.

As it applies to BF2 and PoE2 specifically, is the consensus from TG that, in their view, tactics like these boil down to matters of personal conscience?

[tHa_KhAn]

Explosives are often the most effective way of enjoying this tactic(as it is the quick and dirty way). THe beauty lays in using of the support weapon. The rate of fire and magazine size coupled with damage produce an effective equal to that of a nice piece of art. Often more than one medic responds, especially in BF2 where the allure of points is overwhelming, and after the you hear the defibs just unleash a torrent of lead in their direction. Let the bunny hopping begin. The best medics are those that are confident in their abilities and know you don't have to be prone to revive. They have it down to a science and almost don't stop moving during hte whole process. Those elite medics, I salute you and your ability to avoid being part of a multi-kill death string.

[[tR]Greasy_mullet]

In RL when somebody gets shot up bad and goes down, a medic gets to them and spends time working to save their life and then helps get them off the battlefield. In BF2 and PoE2, the medic instantly brings them back from whatever wounds they have to full life and ready to take you out. The medic also has a weapon and is trying to kill you. Both are fair game.

[icky]

Sounds like a fun mod experiement. Take away medic weapons...

... and watch in mock surprise as all medic cries go unheard.