Fall of Berlin snipers spawn camping.

[Jaykay]

What a rough map for being cherry picked as you spawn, what with all the balconies and monorail platforms.

Just venting 8p When the camper ends a round with 21, and I am shaved down to only 7 from repeated death-on-spawn, I need to strangle someone.

[DeimosManifest]

Honestly, if they have -that- much of a bead on your spawn, spawn somewhere else and shoot them in the back. Usually when people are spawn camping like that, they get really fixated on their target.

[Trooper]

or as spawn camping is agianst TG rules get ahold of an admin on TS to handle it. No need for an SM to have a bad night, or any TG member for that matter because some rankers want the kills and points.

[Mugzy]

Only UCB span camping is against the TG rules. Nobody said they were camping the UCB.

[WhiskeySix]

actually it IS against the rules:

Originally Posted by the rules

Spawn Camping
On our BF2142 server, spawn camping is not permitted.

"Spawn camping" requires a certain INTENT. To spawn camp, it must be your INTENT to EXPLOIT a player's post-spawn lack of orientation while attacking that player. You are sitting (camp), waiting to attack a player immediately after he enters gameplay (spawn). This is spawn camping, and it is not allowed on Tactical Gamer's BF2142 server.

[DeadOnAim]

I have never seen that enforced other than UCB camping either.

I totally understand the spirit of the rule, however it is one that cannot be enforced and IMO really shouldn't be. There are alot of spawns on some maps that are well within shooting distance of one another with clear line of sight and even though it is maddening to spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn,die, I don't think someone should be kicked or banned for it. I do completely agree with the UCB rule, it makes alot of sense.

An example would be spawning at statue and not shooting at anyone at ruins. Most guys spawn right beside cover, so my summation of this rule is, "hey, let them spawn, get behind cover and as you focus on them then more spawn, see you, kill you, then walk across the street and take your base". Then there is other questions that come to mind. Should I shoot near them? Should I toss a frag so they hear it and have a chance to dive out of the way? Does anyone have any insight as to what TG members can do to set a standard of what to do in these instances? I am interested in hearing about that. I have told squad members on many occasions what not to do if they are breaking rules, or if they have said hey, I am gonna go do this or that.

If we can set a standard I am all for it, but in these grey areas it is tough, and I am certainly open to suggestions as someone who squad leads a good bit.

[Zoraster]

the rule is fairly clear. it's not that you can't spawn kill, it's that you can't camp it with the intent of killing someone who's disoriented. Killing someone at ruins from Statue isn't usually a problem unless your intent is to pick off the ones who are spawning in.

What the rule DOESN'T mean is that you have to play nice and give them a fair chance to hide or whatever. If you see someone pop up, there's no reason not to kill the player.

[DeadOnAim]

I understand what you are saying, I understood that from the previous post, but I guess what I was trying to bring up is sometimes it is hard if not impossible to 1. Tell where you were shot from (when you spawn and are struck down) 2. Whether they are static or moving in to take your flag 3. If it happens repeatedly by a couple of different players, are they moving in on your flag or just camping it...etc.

I agree the rule itself is clear, however the conditions surrounding it are not as clear. I was just asking for tips on how to pick out a true spawn camper other than eyeballing them breaking the rules. I guess this would help newbies too in recognizing these patterns so they can move to see them breaking the rules and then report them as well. I find that watching the comm works sometimes if it isn't moving too fast and trying to coordinate the shooting with kills/deaths if I am laying there dying. Sound is a huge part of this game, I couldn't imagine playing with only stereo or without it.

Sorry, I guess I kinda wandered around there, I was just putting thoughts down as they came.

[DeadOnAim]

Oh, I guess another tip would be if you are a SL and are getting camped, try your best to get away, throw down a beacon behind a building or something and attack from an unexpected angle.

Maybe just putting these thoughts down will help someone and remind us what we can do if this happens to us.

[Eroak]

I think it is pretty clear. Camping is the intent to cover a area to kill people by waiting for them. So if your waiting at a spawn point to kill someone. Then you have spawn camping. If you are running to take a flag and someone spawns in front of you, 2 things. They chosen to spawn in a hot zone and therefore know they can be shot on site. 2nd it's a spawn kill, not camping. Because you had the intent to assult and hold a flag, not kill spawning people.

I think IMHO it's very fair the way it is setup now. There are many times I spawn in hot and get killed. Sometimes over and over becuse the server pops me 6 times in front of a APC... it sucks but that was my choise to spawn that area. There are the few times I spawn in and insistly cap a enemy by spawning in behind them. I also mowed down a entire TG squad this way. It's not really tactical, but you dont have a choise where you spawn. I think the marines say "Kill or be Killed".

[Mugzy]

What about a sniper watching a flag and taking out anyone he can? Is he spawn camping if he happens to shoot some people right after they spawn?

What about a lone guy waiting for his squad to reform, should he not be allowed to shoot people that just spawned from a distance? This seems like a tough rule to enforce.

[Bommando]

For those expecting an answer from the admins in this thread, you'll be waiting a long time. We don't deal with "what ifs", we deal with each situation as it comes.

We don't do the "what if I shoot someone who just spawned, but a magical elephant falls from the sky and crushes him before I take the shot. This registers as a kill for the magical elephant, but I get the kill assist. Does this means I get half-kicked from the server for half-kill-assisting the spawner? What happens to the magical elephant if I don't get a screenshot. of course, I didn't report it on TeamSpeak because you don't have a rule about it. In fact, it didn't even happen, but I thought I'd ask in case it did. While we're on the subject, what if EA brings out an expansion pack with a raccoon cannon? You know, one that spreads rabies in the enemy UCB ... " type questions for a reason. Because there are so many variables, you can't make a rule for them all, nor do we wish to. We like to rely on a thing called common sense among our players to get them through those hard times.

Sounds like a slow day at work guys

[Iamthefallen]

Here's a clear example from BF2:

On Spies like us I was prone behind some trees overlooking the western most cabin, we were attacking and waiting for the whole squad to join up.

I see an enemy spawn about 30 yards away and as he starts moving I pop him a few times, he goes down and I reload. 20 seconds later, he spawns in in the exact same position again. And again I shoot and kill him.

Knowing the exact position he would spawn and keeping my crosshair on it in preparation for him spawning again is pretty much the definition of spawn camping.

The third time he spawned in the exact same spot, I caught myself and realized that I would definitely cross the line if I were to open fire, so I held my fire and waited for him to leave.

Then relocated to a slightly less tempting overlook

This is wholly different from simply pointing a weapon at the general area of a flag and firing on people as they take their positions.

[Trooper]

sounds like from this thread some people need to re-read the SOPs and server rules.

[DeadOnAim]

Originally Posted by Bommando

For those expecting an answer from the admins in this thread, you'll be waiting a long time. We don't deal with "what ifs", we deal with each situation as it comes.

We don't do the "what if I shoot someone who just spawned, but a magical elephant falls from the sky and crushes him before I take the shot. This registers as a kill for the magical elephant, but I get the kill assist. Does this means I get half-kicked from the server for half-kill-assisting the spawner? What happens to the magical elephant if I don't get a screenshot. of course, I didn't report it on TeamSpeak because you don't have a rule about it. In fact, it didn't even happen, but I thought I'd ask in case it did. While we're on the subject, what if EA brings out an expansion pack with a raccoon cannon? You know, one that spreads rabies in the enemy UCB ... " type questions for a reason. Because there are so many variables, you can't make a rule for them all, nor do we wish to. We like to rely on a thing called common sense among our players to get them through those hard times.

Sounds like a slow day at work guys

Are you calling me an elephant? If so, I will not be labeled the pink one. No siiiireeebob.