Arty vs. armor

**Belhade** · 05-21-2007, 08:49 PM

This was brought up in commander chat last night on EJOD, when everyone ignored and rejected my CO orders and suggestions. What effect, if any, do artillery strikes have on tanks? I was under the impression that even a direct shell hit would do negligible damage to a tank, but one of the SLs insisted that they were effective. I've personally never seen an arty strike disable, much less destroy, a tank.

ikill4aliving · 05-21-2007, 08:50 PM

i dont know what to tell ya, Belhade, lets try it out some time

Switch · 05-21-2007, 08:51 PM

Unless its a direct hit, arty does nothing of value to a tank. APCs are far more vulnerable, but it still needs to be hit in order to be destroyed.

Soft targets (humvees/transports) are much more vulnerable as the splash damage of arty will effect them.

Bc2ID · 05-21-2007, 09:09 PM

Well if you were on the US side last night, that was our arty killing ya. Belhade, I think you are correct in assuming that the strike must be a direct hit.

**Belhade** · 05-21-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ikill4aliving

i dont know what to tell ya, Belhade, lets try it out some time

Definately. We should request use of the private server some time, get a handful of people on it, some observers and a CO, test this out.

Switch, I figured this was the case, which is why I was baffled when told otherwise. An arty strike on a lone tank hiding behind a rock is pointless, unless at that moment someone decides to dismount and repair.

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 05-21-2007, 09:27 PM

Direct hit will destroy even a full health tank I think

**Portable.Cougar** · 05-21-2007, 09:31 PM

Yep I have been in a freshly repaired tank and got creamed by Arty.

One direct hit will toast you.

**NERDS_R_COOL** · 05-21-2007, 09:37 PM

If it doesnt kill ya it'll sure rattle ur sphincter..............

mingmong · 05-22-2007, 08:08 AM

Does anyone know or could roughly guess at the odds involved in whether an arty strike will result in a direct hit?

EDIT - If the arty marker was smack on the tank, I mean.

fuzzhead · 05-22-2007, 08:18 AM

vanilla bf2 artillery will play a very small role in upcoming versions of PR, as its not possible to edit to make it anymore realistic.

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 05-22-2007, 09:10 AM

20% Ming

Shame about the arty, it is massively powerfull when used which it isnt usually

Morganan · 05-22-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzhead

vanilla bf2 artillery will play a very small role in upcoming versions of PR, as its not possible to edit to make it anymore realistic.

Why not remove the silly static artillery and give artillery vehicles? Indirect fire is as realistic a part of the battlefield as men carrying guns are.

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 05-22-2007, 01:53 PM

I think the objections are to its power and accuracy

Morganan · 05-22-2007, 05:03 PM

Wouldn't an artillery vehicle using the "old" spotting mechanic's deal with the problem on both counts?

Arty should be strong, but it shouldn't be as strong as it is considering how "dumb" of a weapon it is. I don't think anyone would mind an artillery vehicle that either was used for direct fire and thus could be easily taken out, or indirect fire via spotting that required actuall "skill" to use correctly.

Switch · 05-22-2007, 06:46 PM

I just wish the arty blast produced the blur effect you get when standing next to a firing APC. That way arty has a role in disrupting defense even if it doesnt actually kill. The blast radius is unrealistically small as it is. Might as well shake some vision up.

05-21-2007, 08:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Belhade Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York (no, not the city) Age: 31 Posts: 1,277	Arty vs. armor This was brought up in commander chat last night on EJOD, when everyone ignored and rejected my CO orders and suggestions. What effect, if any, do artillery strikes have on tanks? I was under the impression that even a direct shell hit would do negligible damage to a tank, but one of the SLs insisted that they were effective. I've personally never seen an arty strike disable, much less destroy, a tank. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Belhade

05-21-2007, 08:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
ikill4aliving Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bygeniou City, spamming Scan looking for nicrode, ANIs fail leader Posts: 969	Re: Arty vs. armor i dont know what to tell ya, Belhade, lets try it out some time __________________ \|TG-Irr\| Irregulars Intelligence Officer Level 68 M-Gear in ACE Online. Hopefully 7x in a day or two. BCU spawns Horos MS and steamrolls ANI, MoMoneyMoLawnmowers takes Akron and LH quit. Proud member of BCU's Rakion brigade, Crescendo.

05-21-2007, 08:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,266	Re: Arty vs. armor Unless its a direct hit, arty does nothing of value to a tank. APCs are far more vulnerable, but it still needs to be hit in order to be destroyed. Soft targets (humvees/transports) are much more vulnerable as the splash damage of arty will effect them. __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

05-21-2007, 09:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bc2ID Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the shed fixing my snowblower! Posts: 1,931	Re: Arty vs. armor Well if you were on the US side last night, that was our arty killing ya. Belhade, I think you are correct in assuming that the strike must be a direct hit. __________________ "Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results." Gen. George Patton

05-21-2007, 09:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: افغانستان Posts: 2,789	Re: Arty vs. armor Direct hit will destroy even a full health tank I think __________________ *If you find yourself in a fair fight, then you have obviously failed to plan properly*.

05-21-2007, 09:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Portable.Cougar Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So. California Age: 25 Posts: 833	Re: Arty vs. armor Yep I have been in a freshly repaired tank and got creamed by Arty. One direct hit will toast you. __________________ \|TG-X\| Portable.Cougar 10th Tactical Guard Server Rules and SOP \| Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST! Contact an Admin \| Nominate your teammates for a ribbon

05-21-2007, 09:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
NERDS_R_COOL Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Arty vs. armor If it doesnt kill ya it'll sure rattle ur sphincter..............

05-22-2007, 08:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
mingmong Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Re: Arty vs. armor Does anyone know or could roughly guess at the odds involved in whether an arty strike will result in a direct hit? EDIT - If the arty marker was smack on the tank, I mean.

05-22-2007, 08:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
fuzzhead Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 661	Re: Arty vs. armor vanilla bf2 artillery will play a very small role in upcoming versions of PR, as its not possible to edit to make it anymore realistic.

05-22-2007, 09:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: افغانستان Posts: 2,789	Re: Arty vs. armor 20% Ming Shame about the arty, it is massively powerfull when used which it isnt usually __________________ *If you find yourself in a fair fight, then you have obviously failed to plan properly*.

05-22-2007, 01:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: افغانستان Posts: 2,789	Re: Arty vs. armor I think the objections are to its power and accuracy __________________ *If you find yourself in a fair fight, then you have obviously failed to plan properly*.

05-22-2007, 05:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
Morganan Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 659	Re: Arty vs. armor Wouldn't an artillery vehicle using the "old" spotting mechanic's deal with the problem on both counts? Arty should be strong, but it shouldn't be as strong as it is considering how "dumb" of a weapon it is. I don't think anyone would mind an artillery vehicle that either was used for direct fire and thus could be easily taken out, or indirect fire via spotting that required actuall "skill" to use correctly.

05-22-2007, 06:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,266	Re: Arty vs. armor I just wish the arty blast produced the blur effect you get when standing next to a firing APC. That way arty has a role in disrupting defense even if it doesnt actually kill. The blast radius is unrealistically small as it is. Might as well shake some vision up. __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

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