Originally Posted by beita

This is unreasonable IMO.

As far as I can tell, there is no way to show only friendly players on the map ... so, if you want to see yourself on the map, you also get to see that random infantry you autospotted through a bush 500m away on the map too.

Put simply, being able to see an accurate position of the enemy down to the meter on a map is ridiculous. It makes TvT very frustrating and removes a HUGE factor from the immersion in the game, thus making TvT more frustrating.

When you are always looking at your map to check where you are and where the enemies are, you aren't really looking in the game world. This leads to a very distinct case of tunnel vision.

We played a round where the ACE maps were enabled and all but the team leaders had a black screen for the map. No, the world didn't come to an end, yes there were multiple cases of friendly fire, but, there was really only one (well ... two :P ) where it was easily prevented. The rest were because players were doing something unintelligent like running around the defensive line where the enemy was expected to be.


There are still massive problems when trying to play in Veteran mode. I 110% agree that the VON tags should NOT be off, that is needlessly limiting as you get random people spamming the side channel by accident and no one knows what is going on. Also, it is VERY hard to tell what channel is being talked on, especially when things get a bit "heated" and people start using side channel.

If VON tags were switched back on, and the damn kill messages switched OFF, Veteran would be MUCH more playable, and it wouldn't be so difficult to get used to it.

Personally, I think that Crosshairs and Friendly Nametags should also be switched on (Crosshairs only because Friendly Nametags requires it). This prevents griefers from remaining anonymous and makes leading new people 100x easier.



So, hopefully these things can get changed in the server config, as right now Veteran mode IS broken and unplayable.

Is it not possible to tweak Regular mode? I know the clients can configure what they want turned on and off in regular mode. On the Zeus server we run without friendly tags, map markers and crosshairs and third person off, but we do have name tags for VOIP/VON, and the killboard disabled.

I really like the name tags as it's really helpful, and you don't see enemy tags anyway. If this requires crosshairs to be enabled, so be it. This takes care of all the "hey, you guy, follow me" and "who is this? who is your leader? What what?". It might be a tiny bit unrealistic, but gameplay > realism in this regard.

However, I just cannot agree with the map markers. It's not only unrealistic to pinpoint every single soldier in the vicinity on your map AND have it update it realtime, it also takes a lot of challenge out of the game and ruins TVT (and coop to an extend). We already have markers for Squad leaders, team leaders and special units on most (all ACE?) missions, so why do we need map markers? These are sufficient.

And even though I like third person in singleplayer where I'm just about always driving vehicles, I think it should be turned off on the TG server. People abuse it to magically look over hills and around corners in coop and TvT. Since most missions are heavily infantry based with only one or two humvees in use at once, first person won't kill the vehicle driving. Besides, it's not that hard.

Do what you want with the killboard, I don't really look at it until I want to know who the heck is still alive and who isn't. I do know that people 'abuse' it to see if what they shot was a kill, though. Shoot at target, bring up board, shoot more, bring up board.. even though he's down, unconscious and bleeding to death, he's not *dead* so people that use the killboard will fire at the target until the killboard says the target is dead. In any case, doesn't bother me all *that* much.

VON/VOIP tags are a must and must be left on. I'm sure no one will disagree.

My two cents, or was it three already?