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Discussion: ArmA - Archives / Armed Assault - Tactics, Missions and Mod Discussions - How do you fly? - Originally Posted by Sleepdoc
Hey? where the hell is that blackshark anyways?
Probably sitting on
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07-21-2007, 12:46 AM #16
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Re: How do you fly?
Probably sitting on the back burner.. ED's success selling simulators to the military I'm sure is much more profitable than selling games. Either way, even if it takes 10 more years.. When its released it'll be the best helicopter sim available.. Right now the best thing going is EECH and Longbow 2.. Both released in 2000. We rotorheads get no love
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07-21-2007, 01:46 AM #17
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Re: How do you fly?
You can get any pedals to work if you do what this thread says
flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=68&t=62379
(sorry forums wont let me post links)
I did it but it wasn't worth it, pedals just suck for ArmA, you will find yourself mashing them to the stops 90 percent of the time and its just didn't give me anymore precision like it would in a sim. I use a MS sidewinder and the twist stick works fine.
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07-21-2007, 03:33 AM #18
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Re: How do you fly?
I can fly just fine using my Cougar HOTAS, and Saitek Rudder pedals, plus Nostromo AND Ergodex (not forgetting Touchbuddy) all plugged in. I don't have to unplug anything!
The pedals work as rudders using X-Axis. Throttle will give me rapid ascend, slow ascend. Rapid ascent and slow ascent no problem in game. Couple that with good joystick control, landings/infils/extractions are pixel perfect. I have found the throttle controls to respond like that since November 06 when I purchased ArmA v1.0 - If flying using mouse/KB is your thing then great.
@JohnC - Unfortunately plugging a wheel (Logitech G25 for example) in takes the focus (JS becomes not useable). As you say there is a sloppy work around using Frakenstick or similar. However, very early on (December/January), BIS did say they were going to introduce Multiple Controller support in to ArmA.
Maybe in the next patch eh?
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07-21-2007, 03:38 AM #19
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Awesome find! Thanks
Unfortunately I agree with leftskid though. After flying around for a few hours with my flight gear setup, I'm finding myself going back to the mouse and keyboard. And its not just the pedals, I find the stick inputs arent sensitive enough too. When using the mouse, I literally move it 1/32nd of an inch at a time to maintain hover and I move it about an inch to roll 90*. That kind of precision just isnt there with my stick setup.
If you're wondering what I mean about the stick sensitivity and you have FS2004 or FSX, go download the Hovercontrol Bell 412 from www.hovercontrol.com. Thats what I'm looking for.TG Regular
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07-21-2007, 03:48 AM #20
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Rgr that Koala - thank you for the link
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07-21-2007, 09:33 AM #21
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Re: How do you fly?
I fly with mouse and keyboard, practicing with an XBOX 360 controller.
Controllers and really good for driving too, unless you have a nice expensive steering wheel!
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Blame Buccaneer for me going off Topic. It's not my fault. It's his... Originally Posted by Buccaneer
@Buc....
How is that G25 ??? I keep looking at it everytime I go to microcenter and I think ..... delicious.
Does it work as sweet as it feels?
Are you using it for PC only? or have you tried it on a console yet, like a PS3?
For those who don't know, the G-25 is Logitech's top-of-the-line steering wheel, pedals and shifter where the pedals are stainless steel with heavy springs to back them up, the shifter is a 6-speed and seperately mountable from the wheel and both are covered in handstitched leather. The wheel spins like 6 times around center (360 degrees x 6 ). its also force feedback. The whole thing is just high grade, over the top, racing loveliness.
And yes. you can probably drive a Humvee in ArmA with it (a sorry-ass attempt to pretend this is not off topic)
Cough it up Bucanneer. I have been waiting to hear something about this wheel from someone other than a "reviewer"...Last edited by Sleepdoc; 07-21-2007 at 01:04 PM.
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07-21-2007, 12:49 PM #23
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You're probably right, I may have been thinking of the jets. It had been so long since I tried using a stick I probably confused the two. I just tried flying them and they're still like that. They only seem to have 3 throttle settings; decel, neutral, and accel. Originally Posted by Buccaneer
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07-22-2007, 12:01 PM #24
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This is very interesting and funny thread. Awesome what we can learn from each other!NoDebate, I can't believe you would stoop to use a console controller! LOL Neverthless I've hooked up my flight stick and discovered the default control that bound prone to one of my flight stick sliders was the problem that made me have to disconnect the stick when I first loaded Arma! I couldn't understand why my character was laying down and getting up continually until I unplugged the stick! LOL Now my problem lies in orienting the stick whenever I reload the A10 training mission, taking off and gaining altitude but somehow stick orientation is lost and I have pitch slider all the way back forward back and stick all the way back but I'm not climbing or worse I'm losing altitude which is an uncomfortable way to fly and attack peering through a small windshield! God forbid I flew into fog! I'm presently working on this. My stick is a F-16 Combat Stick.Thanks
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07-22-2007, 05:38 PM #25
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OT: Purchased the wheel early April this year (promotion paid for it). At Easter my wife and I hosted a family visit. Wifes Brother - RAF (Nimrods). Wifes sister married to RAF Instructor (RAF Site, midlands). Myself (Navy), and the wifes dad, in his 70's ex Para Regiment. Originally Posted by Sleepdoc
Time for the "Pissed 'n Cup". All G25 Virgins. Best of 3 laps (Hokenhiem) using the Mini Cooper in GT Legends. 4 ladies (the wives) and 4 Gentlemen.
Most everyone in the UK drives a manual car. So it came as no suprise that everyone taking this challenge could use the 3 pedals, and gear lever (shifter to our colonial cousins) without any difficulty.
Everyone commented on how great the tacitile feedback was coming through the wheel (as provided by FFB) - Especially the girls, who are none games (any platform) players including 70 year old Mother in Law. Everyone was sat in my 4 year old FFB gaming chair. Subtle vibrations through the chair helped in finding the driving line too - was the majority vote. The only complaint was that the recess for the gear lever, was a bit to close together. For example, it was much to easy to go from 1st to 3rd, or 3rd to 2nd, that kind of thing. But having said that, if you concentrated hard enough on where that gear lever was going, it became a bit more intuitive/precise.
Once multi-controller is part of ArmA's programming, I would definately use it to drive the wheeled vehicles (not sure of the tanks though).
PS3/Wii playing RAF Instructor brother in law won in 1:26:15, by the way.
If you can afford it. The G25 controller comes highly recommended.Last edited by Buccaneer; 07-22-2007 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Got the laptime wrong - and was promptly told to amend it!
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Re: How do you fly?
uh. Buc? did you just tell me that the G-25 was fully functional on the PS3?
All three pedals? all the buttons? etc?
please say yes ......Sleepdoc
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07-23-2007, 10:39 AM #27
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No mate, I just used it with the PC. I have never owned a console.
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07-24-2007, 03:57 PM #28
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Gents I have been reading all the above and there seems to be a split between mouse/joystick.
So is it down to just personal choice or not, Bucc.... seems to be saying that it is better when using the mouse.
I changed over to my Joystick [Sidewinder Force field] but it is nothing like the control I get in EF 2000 or Falcon 4, why is that.
Is it for the reasons Bucc..... states or is it a ping thing, by the way it is no different on a UK server.
When flying in Falcon 4 I get instant 1 to 1 reaction while in ArmA I get a delayed response.
As I enjoy flight sims I would like to get better in ArmA but I don't know what I can do if anything to improve things.
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07-24-2007, 04:26 PM #29
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Re: How do you fly?
I'm using the sidewinder too and I won't fly with a keyboard and mouse (or can't). Yeah I think its just a personal preference, but I would think if you use the more basic sticks like the sidewinder you will be happier. Just make sure it has a throttle, twisting stick rudder (x-52 wheel doesn't sound the least bit appealing to me), view hat, and the other normal x/y axises. I can't imagine using a HOTAS with pedals in ArmA, its way overkill except for the fact that you will get more buttons. I think alot of people see realism in other aspects of of ArmA and expect that they need some super fancy setup that works in such and such simulator. To me, using a HOTAS and or pedals in ArmA is like using that same setup in Battlefield 2, which makes me say "WTF." But if thats what works for you fine, just remember you can do anything a fully setup HOTAS/Pedals user can but for alot cheaper with a sidewinder.
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Re: How do you fly?
The difference with the stick and mouse in Arma when flying copter is that the W is up and S is down with no stick connected but when using my stick it's not as easy since you must throttle down to lose altitude.My stick doesn't twist but I can use the pedal keys on keyboard for rudder. So far I've been practicing singleplayer with the stick and will make the decision whether to keep it installed or not soon.
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