Re: IMPORTANT ACE MEDICAL / NBC Awarness

**beita** · 12-29-2009, 03:30 AM

That's why they shoot you Lhowon. They are not happy with you having shot them so many times.

**Jorge.PT** · 12-29-2009, 07:59 AM

Great! Why isn't ACE medical system enabled by default like in arma1?

Originally Posted by Dredge

Ok thanks fin, looks like the Basic Infantry Course is going to have a new module added to the training.

It would be good dredge, many players never used ACE medical system, and even not being very complex, it would be good to show them how it works.

It would be great also if you could include a little wounded situation, so that people know how to behave when someone gets shot and not get all to try to heal at the same time.

EDIT: Is it possible to drag the wounded inside vehicles? I remember reading that somewhere when ACE2 was about to get launched.

**freakazoid** · 12-29-2009, 09:29 AM

I wouldn't mind some youtube videos of some of the Medical stuff, gives people who are new to the game a good intro into this feature.

**bert** · 12-29-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Jorge.PT

Great! Why isn't ACE medical system enabled by default like in arma1?

I agree, it would have been great if they had made the module "Disable wounding system" so it would have been on by default. I'd urge mission makers to enable it in all their missions. People will quickly learn how to use it, it worked so great in ACE 1.

Originally Posted by Jorge.PT

EDIT: Is it possible to drag the wounded inside vehicles? I remember reading that somewhere when ACE2 was about to get launched.

I can not even drag wounded people out of vehicles. There is no action in the wheel menu or the ACE interaction menu. I haven't yet tried to put people into vehicles. But dragging/carrying them works like a charm (and should be sufficient for most situations).

I wonder if they also simulate the impact carrying has on a wounded person? Like much faster loss of blood etc., so that you might actually have to consider if you move someone or wait for the medic to give 1st aid before you move him.

**Boondocksaint** · 12-29-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sc[ + ]pe

Heh, the complaints about ArmA's 5.56 seem to echo the complaints in reality -- nobody thinks 5.56 NATO packs enough punch.

But it is more accurate but weak which is why we are soon adopting the 6.8mm

**bert** · 12-29-2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by freakazoid

I wouldn't mind some youtube videos of some of the Medical stuff, gives people who are new to the game a good intro into this feature.

This video shows it in action, but does not really do a lot of explanation:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPli0RjtBA[/media]

And some official information:

http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/F...ounding_System

**Merula** · 12-29-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jorge.PT

EDIT: Is it possible to drag the wounded inside vehicles? I remember reading that somewhere when ACE2 was about to get launched.

It is possible to pull out wounded and load them on vehicle with Vanilla ArmA2 First Aid Simulation module.
At the moment, I'm not too happy about how ACE medical system works. To be honest I like Bohemia standard version more, even though that's hardly used.

**Falcon_262** · 12-29-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by bert

I agree, it would have been great if they had made the module "Disable wounding system" so it would have been on by default. I'd urge mission makers to enable it in all their missions. People will quickly learn how to use it, it worked so great in ACE 1.

I can not even drag wounded people out of vehicles. There is no action in the wheel menu or the ACE interaction menu. I haven't yet tried to put people into vehicles. But dragging/carrying them works like a charm (and should be sufficient for most situations).

I wonder if they also simulate the impact carrying has on a wounded person? Like much faster loss of blood etc., so that you might actually have to consider if you move someone or wait for the medic to give 1st aid before you move him.

You can both load and unload wounded from vehicles using the ACE interaction menu

**bert** · 12-29-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Merula

It is possible to pull out wounded and load them on vehicle with Vanilla ArmA2 First Aid Simulation module.
At the moment, I'm not too happy about how ACE medical system works. To be honest I like Bohemia standard version more, even though that's hardly used.

Have you played Arma1 with ACE? Then you'd know about its awesomeness.

No, seriously, the built-in wounding system is not more than being able to carry around guys and apply some magic healing. A more advanced system makes for much more fun and emphasizes the role of the medic. Especially the removal of "magic self-healing" at medics and tents, so that the medic actually has an active role. Maybe this would have changed a bit now with the new built-in system but honestly, I trust the ACE guys more than BIS to come up with something fun and immersive.

**bert** · 12-29-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon_262

You can both load and unload wounded from vehicles using the ACE interaction menu

Cool, when was that added? I think my last tries were only a few days ago without success. Or I did something wrong, maybe it's time to fire up Arma.

**Merula** · 12-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Bert, I've been playing ArmA for a long time, and until TG stopped using it, I was a regular player since February, so yes I'm very familiar with ACE1.

Still, at the moment the medical system shows its beta status and I was accostumed to using epinephrine only when somebody's hearth stopped

Edit: the thing I miss is having to use the action menu. I know it sound stupid, but I liked it more when the Drag/Drop/Load/Unload options were in the Action menu rather than in this new Interaction Interface.

Edit2: I mean, the Interaction menu is fine and nice, but when I have to drag someone's behind out of the line of fire I would prefer to have a quick command in the Action Menu

**bert** · 12-29-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Merula

Still, at the moment the medical system shows its beta status and I was accostumed to using epinephrine only when somebody's hearth stopped

But now the examine message tells you exactly what you have to do. I remember the discussions in ACE 1 when people didn't know in which order to apply which stuff. But yeah, I mean even in ACE 1 they never finished the system, I think right now the system is as far as it was in ACE 1. Next step will likely be the inclusion of all the other medical stuff (big bandages etc.). I just hope they don't overcomplicate it.

Originally Posted by Merula

Edit: the thing I miss is having to use the action menu. I know it sound stupid, but I liked it more when the Drag/Drop/Load/Unload options were in the Action menu rather than in this new Interaction Interface.

Edit2: I mean, the Interaction menu is fine and nice, but when I have to drag someone's behind out of the line of fire I would prefer to have a quick command in the Action Menu

And risk accidentally executing another option? I find the action menu implementation (since OFP) pretty bad, especially when there is lots of stuff around and options change because things move. I think I said it before, but several times I checked my gear when instead I wanted to enter a vehicle, because menu entries were changing while people were running around in front of me etc. (very bad in hot situations). I am quite happy about a static menu, where entries are fixed, once you open it.

**Falcon_262** · 12-29-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by bert

But now the examine message tells you exactly what you have to do. I remember the discussions in ACE 1 when people didn't know in which order to apply which stuff. But yeah, I mean even in ACE 1 they never finished the system, I think right now the system is as far as it was in ACE 1. Next step will likely be the inclusion of all the other medical stuff (big bandages etc.). I just hope they don't overcomplicate it.

And risk accidentally executing another option? I find the action menu implementation (since OFP) pretty bad, especially when there is lots of stuff around and options change because things move. I think I said it before, but several times I checked my gear when instead I wanted to enter a vehicle, because menu entries were changing while people were running around in front of me etc. (very bad in hot situations). I am quite happy about a static menu, where entries are fixed, once you open it.

Personally I would like to see it get a little more complicated, I think a 'fluids' level system would be a great addition and I would like to see things like the IVs put to use. Also a more robust bleeding system that takes more than one bandage to heal would be great.

I agree however that the ACE interaction menu is far superior to the standard action menu and going that route opens up a whole bunch of possibilities.

**Falcon_262** · 01-14-2010, 05:52 AM

Just a quick note here I suggest people take a quick review of this thread, as intel reports indicate a certain guards motor rifles regiment on Podagorsk just received a shipment of chemical weapons

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Also I've just created a guide to getting your ACE goggle system to work if you've been having problems with that. You can find it here: http://www.tacticalgamer.com/arma-2-...ml#post1430281

**Rev.uk** · 01-14-2010, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by bert

But now the examine message tells you exactly what you have to do. I remember the discussions in ACE 1 when people didn't know in which order to apply which stuff. But yeah, I mean even in ACE 1 they never finished the system, I think right now the system is as far as it was in ACE 1. Next step will likely be the inclusion of all the other medical stuff (big bandages etc.). I just hope they don't overcomplicate it.

And risk accidentally executing another option? I find the action menu implementation (since OFP) pretty bad, especially when there is lots of stuff around and options change because things move. I think I said it before, but several times I checked my gear when instead I wanted to enter a vehicle, because menu entries were changing while people were running around in front of me etc. (very bad in hot situations). I am quite happy about a static menu, where entries are fixed, once you open it.

Hopefully they take it further, it looks like it's already planned which is awesome. The only thing that ACE 2 currently fails in slightly is the medic module.

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