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    Adding new maps.

    Since the last thread was going off-topic.

    Like Ace & ACRE are for Bravo, Alpha gets it's little extra thing.
    Something along these lines was said a few different times in the last thread.
    That makes no sense to me. Alpha and Bravo don't really even have the same player base. Very few people from what I've seen play on both servers. Bravo has ACE and ACRE because thats how people want it. ACE and ACRE aren't 'special' toys, they're there because the player base demands it. I know I wouldn't be at TG if it was just vanilla. And I won't play on Alpha just for a certain map. I don't see how giving Emita City - Alphas special map - is going to make the Alpha community better or make it so people will want to play on Alpha more often.

    This is a conversation the player base would like to have. I know because I just talked to 5 or so other people in teamspeak who echoed something to what I said above.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Hello zebra, I don't understand how this can be a conversation because you are not clear as to the topic. The title says one thing and the your subject matter is more on the line of something that should be posted in the CAA thread. And the player base is alot larger than just 5 or so in teamspeak.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Actually I'd like to know why the map is special for alpha, I'm not asking to have the map on the server right now or anything, but would like a reason as to why bravo players are denied the chance to play this on bravo server while running ace and all mods that run on bravo.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    When it comes to these things sometimes it comes down to; "Because I am the boss and you're not". We have a Game Officer, XO and admins that take care of business here and make decisions for the game. There is already enough BS about Alpha vs Bravo, go to CAA with your concerns. Why is this thread necessary? Like it or not this is not a democracy and browbeating the admins by trying to drum up support against their decisions in the forum won't get you much.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    As I understand it, it's so that Alpha has something special that Bravo doesn't... so why not shuffle Emita onto Bravo, and give Alpha another new toy as well? That way Alpha still gets a map unique to itself, which seems to be the main deal here.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    I did not see or hear of anyone being denied anything. Yet the proper channels for such requests are not being used, why?

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    It sounds as if Alpha is too beneath you guys to go play there , get off you high horse and deal with it.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE View Post
    Hello zebra, I don't understand how this can be a conversation because you are not clear as to the topic. The title says one thing and the your subject matter is more on the line of something that should be posted in the CAA thread. And the player base is alot larger than just 5 or so in teamspeak.
    Emita City is for Alpha and more specifically Password days on Alpha.
    I don't understand why Alpha gets maps that Bravo can't or Bravo gets maps Alpha can't get. I also don't understand why this thread needs to be private. People obviously have opinions about limiting maps for Bravo.

    I never said that there were only five people in teamspeak. At the moment there were about five who I've talked to and would like to discuss the matter of why Bravo can't have a map Alpha has.


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    It sounds as if Alpha is too beneath you guys to go play there , get off you high horse and deal with it.
    This has nothing to do with why the thread was made. It has everything to do with why Bravo has maps Alpha doesn't or vise versa.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefBoatsRet View Post
    It sounds as if Alpha is too beneath you guys to go play there , get off you high horse and deal with it.
    Well yes, I want to play with the ace mods and if alpha doesn't run them I don't want to play there, but that's why theres bravo.

    I just want to know why there is a map that is denied to bravo

    Emita City is for Alpha and more specifically Password days on Alpha. It is the cake you can eat there.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefBoatsRet View Post
    It sounds as if Alpha is too beneath you guys to go play there , get off you high horse and deal with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefBoatsRet View Post
    When it comes to these things sometimes it comes down to; "Because I am the boss and you're not". We have a Game Officer, XO and admins that take care of business here and make decisions for the game. There is already enough BS about Alpha vs Bravo, go to CAA with your concerns. Why is this thread necessary? Like it or not this is not a democracy and browbeating the admins by trying to drum up support against their decisions in the forum won't get you much.
    Chief, no one said that alpha was below anybody. All that was asked was why bravo server doesnt have the option to play on Emita city. Everytime someone mentions alpha and bravo server in the same sentence it all of a sudden is a "bravo vs alpha" debate. I dont know why you keep bringing that up when clearly no one had said anything bad about either. Its almost as if you are taking personal offense to anything that inst praise for alpha server.

    You should probably stop taking offense to peoples opinions and stop jumping down people's throats with sarcastic and offensive comments.


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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Again, use the proper channels ---- contact an admin---caa--- for request-for answers concerning anything server sided or otherwise. End of message

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Ok Stop! Right Now. I am locking this thread so I can reply before any more of this back and forth goes on. Once I have replied then you may continue this discussion. Right now it is doing nothing but upset myself and the admin team.


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    Emita City was selected very carefully to do a very specific job on Alpha. As a thanks and breath of fresh air for those who tirelessly bring new players to us from the pubbie world. Also for a host of other good reasons.

    Another of them is that even though not all Bravo players will help an Alpha password day be a lot of fun and a break from the wrangling, many of you did just that last week. It was very appreciated and a great indicator that we should pursue it.

    When we look at adding content to TGMaps for Bravo as far as islands go I also dont think Emita will pass the grade. There are bigger islands that will serve Bravo better that dont have borked ai pathfinding. Have much better looking vegetation. The size is perfect for its purpose on Alpha but being as aquainted with it as I am....prob more than anyone....its a poor choice for Bravo.

    When it gets fixed it may deserve a closer look. I hope that happens soon because otherwise its a really versatile little map.

    Im available on TS, through CAA, PM....im dismayed to see such negative and inflammatory language used in some of these so called discussion threads. I assure you we have not rebuilt a budding community and increasingly with oddles of in-house content by accident.

    Emita City has only recently been implemented and for the immediate future we will stick with this plan. Everything changes with time. So enjoy the massive injection of content we just got for a while.

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    Re: Adding new maps.

    Everyone needs to listen, and listen with an open mind.

    A long time ago, some of you will remember, there was a discussion about this very thing. Many of the players we have now didn't know of TG back then. But I can assure we had this chat before. So believe me when I talk about this as I do it from first hand experience.

    Firstly, the admin staff is not denying anyone anything! Get that out of your heads right now. The current setup that we have right now is, as the admin team see's it, the best of both worlds. We have our custom content server with ACE, ACRE, maps voted on by the community, special mod exceptions, you name it. Then we have our vanilla server. Up until recently everyones focus has been on Bravo. "New mods, new maps, new missions, events, etc" This is fine, in fact its encouraged! However, what about Alpha? Where was the big push to update Alpha? Get new maps? Missions? Frankly it wasn't there. One or two people would talk about it and as always the admin staff was open-minded and took notes during the conversation.

    After a while the admin team began talking. What is Alpha offering to outside players? The answer we came to was nothing. There was nothing on Alpha except all of the normally available gear that players can jump on any vanilla server and get. Thats fine. But this is Tactical Gamer. We have a reputation of offering unique environments to play our games with maturity and custom settings/content. So why should Alpha not fit into that? We couldn't find a reason why it shouldn't. So the admin staff got together, while everyone was playing with ACE/ACRE, in the o'dark thirty time frame and laid out a plan for Alpha. Our plan was simple, give Alpha something that players can't find anywhere else. We aren't talking mods as we are keeping the game play vanilla, but we can offer unique locations. A new map. So we looked at maps, giving up play time, having debates in our forum and in TS, about the maps. Once we came to our choice we implemented it. The new map went on Alpha ready to be played on by those who enjoy the vanilla game. We have given them something that isn't normally available on non-modded servers. A TG unique experience.

    Now fast forward a bit. To today. Someone who has played on Alpha and has seen said map makes a statement about it (albiet stealing a thread but I will bug that person later about that) and all of a sudden the map we added for Alpha, while everyone was focused on Bravo, has become the banner that everyone is now waving and crying foul.

    How many CAA posts, or comments in passing were made about the new map since we added it? I can count them on one hand. And most were along the lines of "this is neat". Now everyone is demanding it on Bravo? Forgive me if I fail to draw the lines that connect everything together. I am not being all high and mighty and putting anyone down, but I am speaking from what the admin team has seen up to today.

    Now, if this map was added, people started playing on it and spreading the word. Getting more and more people testing out this map and generating a buzz; then the admin team can look at that and say "Gee guys, this map we added for Alpha is getting alot of good reception from our normal Bravo guys. Maybe we should look at tossing it up for them?" But if no one says anything about it the entire time its there, then all of a sudden the admin staff is being lynched because its not on Bravo how are we supposed to respond to that?

    The admin team has been very open with you all. Every step of the way we have been here with our boots on the ground 'sleeping in the mud' with the rest of you. We have discussions about things in the open, we have votes, polls, Community Feedback threads, you name it! When I took over as GO I made the statement saying the admin team would be here, both in game and in the forum. That we are here for you. HOWEVER, if no one ever steps up to say anything or bring anything to our attention how can we deal with it? If there is a hacker on Bravo that never gets reported how can we deal with it? How does it look when we are getting PM's and CAA's about how we don't deal with problem players? Do you see where I am coming from? If we don't know we can't work on it. If we didn't see anything regarding a new map and that it was loved/hated how can we progress that map within the community? As far as the admin staff could tell, the map was there. And it may or may not be in the server mission rotation that night. THAT IS ALL WE KNEW.

    Now we are here. Being yelled at, and talked about for not fixing/doing something we didn't know needed to be fixed/done.


    The entire admin staff has expressed their concern on this matter. We have all been blind sided by this. That isn't fair to us at all. We donate our time, our spare time when we could be gaming or hanging out with family and friends to get on TS, and the forums and in game to make sure that you the players are taken care of. To then get this thrown at us is frankly demoralizing. Here we were, planning more events, missions, mods/maps, under the assumption that everyone (for the most part) was enjoying the game and the server. Come to find out now, as it has been stated above, that a large portion of our players are upset about a map that (based on our observation of in game and forum) no one knew about until today.

    Can you all see now where we are coming from? As for what Sarge was saying, if there is something you are concerned about i/e no fair map rotations take it to the CAA. There is no need to come into the general forum and start the poo storm and drum up everyones emotions on the matter. Come straight to us and deal directly with us. Because now instead of addressing your issue we have to spend out entire post dealing with the issues that were posted after yours. Now if it is a community issue like "Swearing On Alpha" or "Using Humvee's to practice drifting" then by all means get the players in on the converstation. All we ask is that for for server specific concerns like settings, maps, configs are better discussed in private.

    With all of that being said, I am unlocking this thread. Please keep the conversation civil and remember everything I have said here.


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    Re: Adding new maps.

    wait wait wait...First this was nothing personal we have not attacked the admins, we have not blamed the admins for us not having this map, we "HAVE NOT" demanded the map on bravo or on any server!

    What we asked is why there is a cool map, that many of the bravo players just heard of today through another thread and why it is denied to us, Which from the post quoted already in a number of post it sounded like.

    You said a lot that we had plenty of time to check this map out and ask for it, but if its on alpha how would we know? A lot of players only play bravo, Hell my game wont even run vanilla without crashing anymore. So asking us to play on alpha just to have a chance to get a map we havn't heard off on bravo is kinda bull.

    Summary of today from my view.

    See thread about mech units
    Agree no good maps for it
    See another map posted about
    ask why its only on alpha and bravo doesn't have access
    get a post which seems to be claiming it will only be for alpha special events
    ask why
    thread locked
    new thread asking why
    told to stop posting and go to CAA for a public discussion
    ask why
    flamewar
    admin locks thread
    long post about nothing to do with the map
    questions still not answered


    So how are we demanding or attacking admins here or other people?
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