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    Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    First off, my apologies for not posting this under Technical Support, but I didn't want it buried in there since I want to get a feel for whether others are experiencing this as well.

    Second, my rig specs:

    AMD FX-8150 @ 2.8Ghz
    10 Gigs RAM
    AMD Radeon HD 6970

    Third, the problem statement.

    I realize my rig isn't top notch like some folks here have, but in the past, I've been able to play Bravo at a respectable 30-40 FPS with very little variance. Recently, however, several missions see me starting at about 20 FPS, and slowly dropping to an unplayable 10 or lower. Typically, these will be Patrol Ops missions. I've tried fiddling with in-game graphics settings as well as Catalyst control center with almost no changes to FPS whatsoever (and I really mean NO discernible, causal link between me changing a setting and the FPS responding). I also realize that I'm not running SSDs, but that wasn't limiting in the past either. Another oddball coincidence is that while Bravo is generally unplayable (depending on mission), Alpha delivers the steady 30-40 FPS that I'm used to; unfortunately I don't have a previous benchmark since my first time on Alpha was to test whether it would improve my FPS over Bravo.

    The only thing that's changed between my heady 30-40 FPS days and now is that I recently made the switch to Windows 8, from Win 7. So, I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar problem, and whether there is a possible fix. The only thing I can imagine to try (if it IS indeed Win8), is to reinstall everything and/or run stuff in Win 7 compatibility mode.

    Any help/feedback is appreciated.

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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    I recently upgraded to 8 as well. I did the true upgrade first where it keeps all your installed conteng from your previous os. Arma played seemingly ok, but not for long. After about a week the system grew unstable and i was eventually forced re- install 8 from scratch (format drive style).

    After reinstalling arma, patches. Six, teamspeak etc i have been running on 8 now for a month problem free. Actually i find 8 better, not for performance but for stability particularly during task switching into and out of arma and the built in resource monitoring tools.

    I would say the performance drop you are seeing is abnormal. Is the rest of the system stable and fast? Can you use the resource monitor to see what is bogged (gpu vs cpu vs hdd). If you have gwo monitors you can run the task manager performance tools while running the game, or run arma in windowed mode so you can see the task manager while running the game on one screen. A flat out reinstall of arma assuming you just upgraded the os maybe worth while as a shotgun approach. Just save your user config file and let six do the rest!

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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    @ Windsor

    The rest of my system is running fine. No stability issues, and I'm running newer games at a respectable 40-60 FPS depending on the game. I've had the resource monitor up and nothing seems overly taxed. The CPU might hit 30% every now and again, and the HDD is taxed most when the map is being loaded, but nothing that appears immediately out of the ordinary. Basically, I've tried to eliminate everything I suspect is causing the problem, and I'm left with two things....

    1) Like you, I did the true upgrade to retain my apps & files when I switched to Windows 8. So either Windows 8 isn't well optimized for Arma 2, or Arma 2 didn't make the migration well and needs to be reinstalled.

    2) Recent changes to Bravo (specfically to Patrol Ops) have caused me to incur a greater penalty to my FPS than recent hardware upgrades to my system are able to cope with.

    Ever the optimist, I sincerely hope its the first...and therefore solvable, so that I can keep playing with the best community there is


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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    Did you play the same version of Patrol ops before the windows 8 upgrade ?
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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    I would reinstall arma. No its not very scientific but may perhaps be the most time efficient method to eliminate variables.

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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    @Bl1p
    I'm not entirely sure, is the thing. I've heard other players have taken a hit from the changes to Patrol Ops, so I'm assuming that's part of my problem as well...

    @Windsor

    Yeah, I think I'll try that to just eliminate it as a possibility. Which config files do I need to save?

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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by S3rafiel View Post
    @Bl1p
    I'm not entirely sure, is the thing. I've heard other players have taken a hit from the changes to Patrol Ops, so I'm assuming that's part of my problem as well...
    Pat OPs is a hard hit on fps.
    but the new version is better on fps than the old.

    The only thing I can think of is that the new version places some of the cpu work from the enemy AI onto the client side rather than the server side. (kinda... was what I understood from the MSO logs anyway)
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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    Off topic, Patrol Ops.
    As the maker of Patrol Ops mentioned. That particular mission will engage your CPU more than other missions that we have in our database. This is not a point the finger statement, but merely a fact. Since that particular mission requires a lot of AI behaviours. Which equates to more CPU computations.

    Also, depending on how the parameters the Patrol Ops is set at from the mission slot screen.
    You will either see a performance to be on par with other missions with your PC. Or a heavy drop on performance.

    So, those of you that are setting up the Patrol Ops from the beginning. Take note of which settings in the parameters cause more lag than others. That way, BL1P can address them should he feels necessary.
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    S3rafiel,

    You may need to overclock your CPU to 3.0 or over. ARMA2 will perform much much better once the clock speed is at or over 3.0Ghz.
    My CPU is a very old one (Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 - 2.8Ghz). I have over clocked it to 3.4Ghz, and experienced an ample performance change into the positive side.

    Or run the game and use the Benchmark testing, it should update your old arma2 config values.



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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    For me I just saved my profile which contains your bindings etc.... there's lots of guides on the net to show you where this is stored and how to back it up.

    What I did for my reinstall:

    - reinstall arma 2
    - reinstall AO
    - patch as necessary
    - six update for the TG alpha / bravo servers
    - try it!!
    - copy old profile back (just in case there's something in there messing your system up)

    Good Luck!

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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    @ Lowspeed

    When you say run the game and use benchmark testing, what precisely do you mean?


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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    There are 2 benchmarks within the singleplayer missions. When you run these after changing your video options, it updates your settings.cfg file in my docs.

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    Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    What Bolagnaise said



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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    @ Bolagnaise/LowSpeed

    Ah! Good to know. So just boot the game and choose any SP mission and that'll show up as an option? Do I have to do it separately for the base game and OA, or just OA?


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    Re: Lower FPS on Bravo after switching to Windows 8

    Try both?



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