Originally Posted by Beatnik

LOL We were discussing the inevitable posting of a thread discussing this game. If you recall, all of last night's games were all blowouts, save for a 2 point eeking win on that Berezen assault map.

Too bad noone has the straight up points screenshot showing who was on both teams. Our team was virtually all n00bs, all night, and except for the TGers in my squad, there wasn't a single (iirc) TG member on the rest of the team. We even had a commander for the last half of that Spies game who was apparently ordering the entire team to pile on to a single flag, leaving other flags undefended. I didn't realize this until the end, when he said in the open channel "EVERYONE on to the center flag!" Of course, 20 seconds later we lost our last remaining flag. So yes, with a team full of smacktards (remember the blowout on Lutsk just before this? how we struggled to hold a single flag after my squad moved out from defending castle for 3/4 of that match?) it is possible for UKR to win on spies. This does beg the question why didn't anyone try to balance the teams themselves after so many consecutive blowouts, but that's a topic for another thread.

Not to sound pissy, but I wouldn't consider (from the GER perspective) last night's match to be a valid argument for the balance of weapons. After the previous matches, at the beginning of Spies I bet my squad a collective $5 that we would get blown out.

That being said, I've played Spies as UKR and the VEPR is not "slightly more effective than a spitwad at medium velocity". There may be hope for the map yet. But I'm still waiting to see a non-GER blowout with roughly balanced teams.

I don't believe anyone but you has mentioned weapon balance in this thread. My original post was about the tactics that Ukraine used to win. As you can see from the screenshots, they did what they needed to do to secure a win. They defended the territory necessary to keep the bleed, lined up on defense and waited to mow down the German advance. Whereas before Santa and I discussed the tactics that Germany used of surround and pound to win the same map, the Ukraine players never posted what tactics they were using in response. It has been others previously that have brought up weapon imbalance as overshadowing tactics. The purpose of this thread was to show the proper employment of tactics by Ukraine that is necessary to secure a win. I said previously that if the sides were reversed, we would have pulled a win. This time it was mantis and Project as the other two TG squad leaders on Ukraine implementing the proper strategy. Even SL4 SentryGuard (who I am not familiar with) and the two small squads ended up where they needed to be more often than not. I'll keep talking tactics while others look for other answers.

As for the teams, only I had the all TG squad. You can see from the screenshot who was with mantis and that it was a learning squad. Squad 1 was lead by Project, but I believe it was mostly with filled with unfamiliar players. Project would have to tell you more about that. Squad 4 was unfamiliars also along with a 2 man squad. The one man squad was IMI-50AE running around by himself as AP if I remember correctly. Germany could have easily spread the TGers to each squad to squad lead just as mantis and Project did. Yes, team players do make a difference but so do team squad leaders.