reduce de respawn time

**SiCaRiO** · 12-17-2007, 12:02 PM

right now we have 15 sec of mandown time and another 15 of respawn , since the mod dont have medics , IMO the mandown times is useless , but it add atmosphere so i got an idea

why not make the mandown time 15 sec , but the respawn time 5 sec , so you spend most of the time looking at the sky instead of looking at players .

**Bernout** · 12-17-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SiCaRiO

right now we have 15 sec of mandown time and another 15 of respawn , since the mod dont have medics , IMO the mandown times is useless , but it add atmosphere so i got an idea

why not make the mandown time 15 sec , but the respawn time 5 sec , so you spend most of the time looking at the sky instead of looking at players .

IMO the respawn delay is fine as is. If anything I'd like to see it longer in order to have people value their lives a bit more.

Bernout

**WhiskeySix** · 12-17-2007, 12:28 PM

Thanks for the suggestion Sicario! We'll see some changes to this coming soon - stay tuned!

**westyfield** · 12-17-2007, 02:10 PM

I think perhaps a PR style system would be good, with, say, a 20 sec spawn time, no man-down time, and longer spawn times added for Teamkillers (perhaps 5 secs added for every TK)

**SiCaRiO** · 12-17-2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bernout

IMO the respawn delay is fine as is. If anything I'd like to see it longer in order to have people value their lives a bit more.

Bernout

this mod is not about value your life like PR , why do you think that POE2 server dont have 30 sec of respawn time?

IMHO , 20 sec should be enought ,either full 20 sec of mandown time (so you dont see other players ) or full 20 sec of respawn time (witch IMO quite a bit of inmertion) or a mix of them (15-5, 10-10 ,etc)

**Bernout** · 12-17-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by SiCaRiO

this mod is not about value your life like PR , why do you think that POE2 server dont have 30 sec of respawn time?

I don't know why the POE2 server doesn't have a longer respawn time. If I played on it more I would probably have asked that question already. IMO it encourages bad behavior and makes it a hell of a lot tougher on attackers since the defenders have the spawn advantage. Thus you get things like squad dumping on the flag which I despise.

Bernout

**WhiskeySix** · 12-17-2007, 03:53 PM

On our PoE2 server, the total downtime is 40 seconds.... 20 seconds Critically Wounded and 20 Dead.

On the FH2 server, the total down time is 30 seconds. There is no medic/revive, so the critically wounded time is currently set to 5 seconds (to simulate a quick, but not instant death) and the "dead time" is 25 seconds.

Keep in mind that FH2 has only been out for a few days, and we're still tweaking the server settings - trying to strike the right, delicate balance between realism and gameplay. With FH2's damage system, strong squad-cohesion and careful tactics are required, and we want to reward quality teamwork, and disuade "ramboism". Managing spawn times is one way of managing that.

Anyway, we need and appreciate YOUR input on this subject - please keep the opinions coming! (Keep in mind that there is a wide range of play-styles represented in the FH2 playerbase, so please be respectful of others' opinions)

**Bernout** · 12-17-2007, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

On our PoE2 server, the total downtime is 40 seconds.... 20 seconds Critically Wounded and 20 Dead.

On the FH2 server, the total down time is 30 seconds. There is no medic/revive, so the critically wounded time is currently set to 5 seconds (to simulate a quick, but not instant death) and the "dead time" is 25 seconds.

I'm guessing the POE forums must have had a discussion like this at some point in time.

I think 40 (5 + 35) seconds would be a good compromise for FH2 as well.

Keep in mind that FH2 has only been out for a few days, and we're still tweaking the server settings - trying to strike the right, delicate balance between realism and gameplay. With FH2's damage system, strong squad-cohesion and careful tactics are required, and we want to reward quality teamwork, and disuade "ramboism". Managing spawn times is one way of managing that.

Anyway, we need and appreciate YOUR input on this subject - please keep the opinions coming! (Keep in mind that there is a wide range of play-styles represented in the FH2 playerbase, so please be respectful of others' opinions)

Understood.

Bernout

**ikonic** · 12-17-2007, 06:23 PM

I think the 30 sec respawn is fine, HOWEVER, one thing I have noticed is that if you get KILLED, your spawn time is only 15 seconds. So anyone in vehicles or anything where you cannot be "revived" have a shorter respawn than the person who gets mowed down by a machinegun or rifle and becomes "Critically wounded" ("Incapacitated" in FH2). I think it should be 30 seconds killed and 0 seconds wounded (if that is possible).

**Donagel** · 12-17-2007, 06:41 PM

Yes, I have wondered what the point of having an "incapacitated time" is when there is no healing that will save you. The death cam seems a tad long the way it is was well.

**Stalin1878** · 12-22-2007, 06:36 AM

Its so easy to get killed, and the last thing you want after being TKed is to have to wait a long time to respawn. I think 20 seconds wait before respawn is good.

**johnflenaly** · 12-22-2007, 08:46 AM

I think right now as it is there is no value on your life in the game. Big problem for me I suggest reducing the incapacitated time to 0, but up the death time to some were between 60-90 seconds.

**Lucky Shot** · 12-22-2007, 09:27 AM

I helped admin a PR scrim and with the long death times it occurred to me that apart from the beginning it wasn't a full army versus a full army. At any point 6-12 people per team were alive while the rest was staring at respawn screens. That's not epic, that's piddly little special forces action. Forgotten Hope is supposed to be about full on warfare between two large armies. A 60-90 second respawn time will turn it into piddly special forces with slow firing weapons. Again, FH2 should not be small warfare, it should be full army battles meaning a far shorter respawn time than 60-90 seconds. I second Ikonic's suggestion.

Lucky Shot

**Stalin1878** · 12-22-2007, 12:03 PM

People putting "value" on there lives in one thing, making it so everyone just hides in a hole so as not to get killed is another. With my PC and net it would be quicker for me to change servers everytime I die rather than wait over a minute. 60/90 is crazy, no one would play on the server (save you) if the wait time was that much. As Lucky Shot said, whats the point of having a few people fighting and 50 over looking at a dead screen? If people get kicks out of being dead for minutes they can go and play PR. 20 seconds total time is plenty.

**fuzzhead** · 12-22-2007, 04:34 PM

Lucky Shot - what your asking for simple isnt possible on BF2 engine.

IMO - all shorter respawn times does is encourage spammy, suicidal and stupid tactics. It DOES NOT make the battle feel larger or anything like that. The only thing that would make the battle feel larger, is getting a higher max player count.... just have to wait for a next gen game with the right engine to pull that off... until then, just gonna have to live with 'pidy little special forces action' cause even with an insanely short respawn time, that is what it feels like :P