Apophis

Last night I played for a little while and joined the Blackhawk squad. I ended up leaving the squad because I couldn't figure out what exactly the squad was doing. Everyone was getting in the blackhawk on the carrier and then flying over to an enemy flag and flying around in circles. This lasted about 2 minutes before the helo was blown out of the sky and everyone died. This repeated like 3-4 times.

On the 4th time I just bailed out and used my chute when we got there. No longer than 5 seconds later the helo was blown up and someone said "Apo survived??".

Can someone enlighten me as to what that plan actually was? At least 2 out of the 4 trips taken were not even going to the flag that our SL / Commander had designated. But I'm just curious why the circling without actually landing and disembarking. It almost appeared as though there was some attempt to use the blackhawk as some sort of offensive assault vehicle.

Any enlightenment here as to what that plan/strategy was all about?

Before I left the team I piloted the blackhawk but managed to successfully move troops from the carrier to the designated flag, at least 3 round trips, before being blown out of the sky. But at least I got the troops to the flag in the process.

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Mateo

Apparently the plan was to fly around the flag, and drop people right into my sights.

Apophis

Well.. I'm only assuming I wan't privy to the plan, I was just trying to figure out what they were trying to accomplish. Trying to use the Blackhawk as an offensive assault vehicle is a pretty pointless endeavor. Unless for some reason the pilot thought it was an Apache or something. It just seemed odd to not be using the Blackhawk as a transport mechanism and at that not transporting to the designated flag.

The altitude was also an issue as it was borderline being too high to jump out and survive and too low to be able to pull a chute and survive.

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Wyzcrak

If you can keep the thing in the air, with two engineers repairing you in flight, it can be used to offer support to troops on the ground. It heals troops on the ground from the air, if you're close enough, I imagine. The possibilities are vast.

Next time, take the time (external cam) to see who the pilot is so that you can know who you're addressing with this question. Several people piloted full blackhawks last night, and it's often not possible to see who's in your helicopter, so I'm likely one of many people wondering if I was your pilot.

I've started insisting I know and have comms with my crew. I'm MUCH more effective that way.

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Apophis

I am aware that the Blackhawk heals people but There weren't any friendly troops on the ground. But I still don't understand acknowledging an order from the commander to go to one flag and then completely igoring it and flying around in circles around another until you get blown up over and over. That same number of people on the ground could have healed each other AND really made a push on taking the flag rather than just dying in the air.

I wish I knew who it was, but I ended up just dropping and going to another squad that was a little more focused.

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Sniper

I was in that squad once, and I think it was for support, suppressing a base so units could move in and take it, I'm not positive though

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Twisted_Firestarter

That was the plan, to surpress the base units. Another option is to surprise ground troops and have one person bail to cap the flag and hop back in. Lol, I was squad commander apo.

Keep in mind also that I am still trying different strats to see what works best. Last night it didn't work so well, but with some modifications today the BlackHawks has been a force to be reckoned with. We were effectively eliminating ground troops trying to take out flags, stopping on the artillery to fix it, dropping troops on other flags to hold them. We were running very smoothly and we must have made 5 or so missions before some flyboy finally ran into us.

And as for the commander, at that point you are talking about we didn't really have one. There was one sitting in the chair, but he wasn't giving any orders. The waypoint you saw was assigned by me.

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TheFeniX

With an effective pilot who knows where the heat-seekers are: you can keep that thing in the air and dish out some hurt.

I enjoy dropping ammo for teammates on the ground myself.

It's also a perfect vehicle for recon. If you're in it, spot everything you see. I get mad when team Blackhawk's Squad leader is running around NOT in the blackhawk. If you die, you can always spawn back in there.

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kormendi

Indeed, squad leaders can assign way points to their squad members as they please. As a squad member, its hard to know if the order originated with the commander or squad leader unless explicitly stated.

Wyzcrak

That goes to discretion. Depending on what I know about opposition tech and the job(s) at hand, I just might feel safer (and more effective) in that helo than I do in the dirt.

Me, too, especially with the blackhawk last night.

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Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

Karkianman101

lol. That was *name removed* practicing his helo skills. And I was the one that called out "Apohpis lived?" in a lighthearted non-serious way. I then saw a spot open up in Tarpans squad and leaped on in.

Zephyr

I am a very big blackhawk pilot, actually a pilot in general for helicopters. I almost retched at this stupid strategy for blackhawks. I will always have at least 2 engineers and 2 medics in my blackhawk at all times and I will pilot the craft in such a way that WE DO NOT DIE EVERY TWO MINUTES (*insane anger at bad/survival ignorant pilots*). We are air support for soldiers, I cannot tell you how many times I have hovered the blackhawk right into position as our teams ground units made an advance on a flag.

When push comes to shove however, I would do my "capture spin" blackhawk technique to get my gunners to lay waste to everyone while hovering above the flag. I feel that 4-6 people in the blackhawk is risky, but extremely deadly when they are all talented in their skills. Engineers drop mines all over enemy bases, medics toss down their first aid bags to the front, and my gunners...well I'm sure everyone knows what happens to the base I hover by.

I treat the blackhawk as the ultimate offensive/defensive vehicle as well as a mobile troop carrier. It is a craft that can heal itself in flight, cary medics who will heal engineers in flight, drop mines (engineer), drop health (medic) and kill ANYTHING with its extremely deadly miniguns. There is no other battlefield 2 craft I currently adore more, how a player uses it reflects his personality as a gamer. Yes that does mean I love to slaughter everything, but do it through my teammates and fly carefully with the aim of achieving my objective.
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Apophis

Okay.. That makes sense. I did inquire as to what we were doing on in-game comms, but didn't get any response. If the SL is setting the waypoints, it would avoid confusion if you updated them based on the current mission objective. I was getting rather confused as to what I was doing. Was I on a squad blatantly ignoring command objectives? Should I leave the SL and follow the command objectives? Should I join another squad?

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Wyzcrak

About unacknowleged requests for SL attention on in-game comms: as SL, the commander often steps on my squad members when speaking to me on in-game comms. They can't hear the commander talking and think they had my undivided comms attention. Such will cause some (not all) instances of a SL seemingly ignoring you. It's possible they didn't realize you were speaking at all.

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Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

IceCold

How cool would it be to use some of this impressive sound technology to put the comm's comms (hehe...) in a squad leader's right ear and the squad member's comms in the left ear and allowed them to both transmit at the same time?

Confusing, perhaps, but that's the nature of combat...