asch

For those who weren't aware of this, if your team loses all FLAG spawn points, no one is able to spawn, even on their squad leader. This happened on one map last night and I think I was the only squad leader alive. I was waiting for my team to spawn so we could take a flag, but they informed me they couldn't spawn at all. Needless to say, my last squad member and myself were hiding out waiting for the enemy to move away from a flag... but they were smart and held their fort... and we died.

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Rincewind

Yeah, that was last nights Sharqi Peninsula map. I was SL instead of manning command this time around. I was alive when the last post was taken and was waiting for my men to spawn on me. Had I known that they would have never come I wouldnt have been moving around so obviously trying to find a location where they could spawn on me. Ah well.

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RedOak

Is that a bug tho? I though the whole idea of the SL staying alive was to offer this alternative to FlagSpawning...?

Black_V!per

Ya, i think that even if the Flags are all taken we should be able to spawn on the SL.

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Apophis

Considering that the maps that have no UCBs or only a UCB on one side have intended objectives of completely taking over the map and pushing the opposing team out, I would assume that the lack of flags should prohibit you from being able to spawn. SL or no SL.

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verbose

If spawning on SL's was still possible even with no flags, you'd have SL's hiding in the corners of the maps during end-game. An objective-based game turns into a Badger-hunt. Or, the ol' Warcraft hide-the-peon-and-drag-the-loss-out game, if you will.

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leejo

holy moly does this mean that teams have to protect their assets?

SmokingTarpan

Why I believe it does, Timmy.

Mister_Penguin

Speaking of flags and last night's game, did anyone notic on that on Strike at Karaknd, one of the flags had turned USMC, but was still MEC on the map, and was counted as an MEC spawnpoint? Is this a glitch or some feature I don't know of?

SmokingTarpan

I had something similar happen on a different map. My squad rolled up to a neutral flag and raised it to the USMC, but it stay neutral on the map and wouldn't give up the capture notification. I told all my guys to back off the flag radius, and when they were clear, moved them back in. It captured immediately.

Looks like it's an infrequent bug.

ABPositive

Can't agree more with you, Verbose. I was the commander of the MEC forces on Sharqi, and towards the end, once all flags were ours, my job was to hunt down the remaining soldiers. The scan was my best friend! I did not know whether those remaining red dots were SLs or not. I assumed (wrongly) that they were not, since they did not multiply into more red dots :-)

IMHO when all flags are taken, you should *not* be able to spawn on your surviving SL. It would be easy for a spec-ops SL to run and hide (the opposing commander does not see spec-ops during a full terrain scan). All his men would spawn as spec-ops, and run and hide as well. They would still have a very slim chance of taking a flag, but really, what chances do you have? 6 spec-ops against 32? Thus the game would keep going, until finally the ticket counter reaches zero. Would this be fun?

asch

This is not a glitch. What I believe is happening is that there was still one MEC hiding. The flag on the flag pole will change, but it won't officially change on the map. If the assaulting player(s) don't see that the flag was captured on the map or receive a point, it was not taken.

This happened to me, however I was the defending (cowardly bastard hiding) player. I watched as my flag went down and another went up, but the point never actually changed controls because there was only one assaulting player and that's not enough when you have one defending player. Either you need (defending players + 1) to completely capture a flag or to get all of the defending players out of the flag radius.

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Telorn

Ah, yes. It was you and me. After 3 of them rushed in and you and I took them all out (you dieing in the process..I think you walked in my crossfire a couple times ) They decided to play it safe and bombed the hell out of the room until I eventually died. It really sucked that the squad couldn't have spawned, though. We probably would have been able to take the point with all 6 of us.

I remember I kept telling you a bunch of guys were out there and we should wait. In retrospect, we probably should have just tried going for it. I forgot that the commander could do a scan and relay our position to the enemy.

SmokingTarpan

Are you sure this is the case all the time Asch? Like I said earlier, we rolled up to a completely neutral base (6 people) and the flag didn't change on the map until we backed off and then moved on it again. It was at the very beginning of the map, near the allied home base, and no enemies could have gotten there yet.

Mister_Penguin

I honestly have no clue where the guy could have been. I personally checked the rooftops, and nearly jumped when I saw a ghillie suit(Luckily it was one of ours).