TG_Rizzo

It was the lime green helmet gave your position away. SNAP!

Don't worry about being too new to wear it, guys. If you know what TG is about and you support it and you're sure you can uphold its principles and ideals then go for it.

FUNKED1

Which is why I always end up taking the TG tags off.
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Xeil

That's a really good psot there nemesis, really think that it has a lot of truth in it and puts many of the same feelings I have. Should sticky this...

ABPositive

Nemesis,


I play BF2 on the TacticalGamer.com server 95% of the time, and maybe 5% of the time in ranked servers (that's when TG's public server is full).

Now to the point. I read the post by Wyzcrak (http://www.tacticalgamer.com/showthread.php?t=50960), and complying with all points, I chose to wear the |TG| tag in-game.

On one hand, I am 100% in the TG style of gaming. In some situations, I remind my squadies about the behavior expected on this server. Yes, it's okay to attack the uncapturable enemy's base for the purpose of destroying its artillery. No, once done it's not ok to wait for spawns to rack in easy kills. I play for the team, and am happy when my team wins, and think about what we can do better when we loose.

On the other hand, your post and the support it gets adds some color to Wyzcrak's.

One, I do not feel part of the family you evoke. I try and participate on the forums, but I see people with join dates from many years back. And others with 3000 posts. And supporting members. I'm not part of any of these groups.

Two, the honor part. I am not sure I can define what in-game honor is, and any guidance will be appreciated. Is it okay to be afk 60 seconds when nature calls, or is this considered letting down your squad? This is a serious question, I am asking for specifics.

Three, the general tone of your post makes me think you feel ripped off. That some players wearing |TG| tags are stealing something from you. I have not been offered a TG tag. Nor have I bought one.

So to the 3 points above, I'll be conservative and will remove the |TG| tag from my in-game name. And if that's ok with you guys, I'll continue to play on your servers?

Now slightly off-topic. More than anything else, my interest in BF2 and in TacticalGamer is in answering this question. How much can a team of strangers achieve together? I hope a lot, but I want to see it with my own virtual eyes.


Cheers, and I hope I caused no offense to any1 by wearing the tag
ABPositive

Nemesis

ABPositive,

Well, for the family part I said "hopefully" but I do think it's apt. Of course you're not going to feel the family aspect right off the bat. But part of what I'm talking about is how the forums are run and how, after playing with these people a few times, you look forward to playing with them again. And on the server again. Because of the feeling you get when people play the game the same way you think it should be played.

There are people from all walks of life here. Backgrounds aren't really that important. However, a belief in how this type of game should be played is what unites us. Post counts are irrelevent. How long you've been here does count in a way, but it doesn't mean a new person doesn't belong or that their opinion is worth any less.

2nd, what I mean by Honor is how you play and how you treat the people you play with. Respecting that the people on the other side of those "toons" have feelings just like you do. Yes, you want to win, but it's not at the cost of being decent in your actions and respecting the rules of the house you're playing in.

Is there a set definition? I can't think of one to be honest. It's not something that has absolutes IMO. Running to the bathroom isn't an issue....or catching a phone call or anything similar. RL always comes first. This is a game after all. And part of that Honor I'm talking about is understanding that basic fact and not getting pissy when something or someone doesn't always follow the way you think it/they should.

3rd, I in no way feel ripped off or that people are stealing something from me. However, there is an ideal here. And it should be upheld. Everyone here was actually offered the Tag. It's in the post Asch put up. The fact that anyone decided to take it up however means that they should attempt to live up to that ideal.

People that don't....or that try and use the tag as a means to their personal ends are what I was addressing. I'm not telling anyone if they are "Worthy" or not. I was just stating my personal opinion about this place and what "I" feel goes into wearing Tags that represent it.

However, as I stated in a later post, you don't have to wear |TG| to support or be a part of Tactical Gamer. Which, when you get right down to it is part of the beauty of this place. I've read nor seen nothing that you've posted or in how you played to even think that you should feel the need to remove your Tag. If that's the impression I gave you then I apologize.

No offense has been taken btw.

The answer in your last question is already happening. And why this place exists and why it matters to so many people. And the basis for my original post.


Take care.

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Nemesis

Forgive me for bumping this up, but I'm not quite sure what actually happened to our server last night. More often than not, you ran into a stretch where you were going "WTF was that?". Or "What in the heck are those guys doing/thinking??" Or you got numerous kick votes of Commanders, etc. It wasn't a matter of just n00b's. It seemed more of an issue of a group having their own agenda's. The potential cheating issue isn't anything that can be proved atm, and it's not the main thrust of my original post, so I don't think it's worth talking about here.

With the HUGE influx of new people we have coming in it makes me wonder, at times, just what style of play is winning out. I don't know, maybe I'm just being greedy. I've had so many great games/experiences/squads/commanders/etc. here that I've come to expect it all the time. So when the game falls short due to having a large segment of jackasses on the server at the same moment, it really stings.

I've found that some people will take advice and/or our playstyle to heart and others will pretty much ignore you. So the question is how do those people get dealt with? Yes, we have some great Admins here. But there's only so much they can do on the whole. Especially when we hit those times where none are around. So what's the answer? And is there really one that we can hang out hats on?

Just because people read the forum or post once in awhile doesn't mean they agree to our style of play. I think we sometimes take that fact for granted. They find the server has good competition and a great ping so they start playing here. But do they really get what TG is all about?

When I really think about it, I'd say it's mostly a "yes" answer to that question. Especially with the "regulars". However at times you really wonder. As much as we point people to the SOP's, how many actually take the time to go and read them...and better yet, take them to heart?

I'm not sure, but I'd say that just like anything, it takes some people being exposed to something long enough for it to actually sink in. So consider this my little part in trying to help steer people away from the Dark Side.

My original post was mostly about people that wear the |TG| tags. But the underlying theme I was trying to get at was more directed at the people that just want to call Tactical Gamer a home. And just to be clear again, this isn't about how WELL you play, but HOW you play overall. See the difference?

It's not YOUR home but OUR home. So leave your Pub server habits at the door. No non team playing Rambo's, Lone Wolfs, Leon types, do everything yourself, Captian Fantastic and the Me, myself and I's, allowed.

Otherwise, Please wipe your boots and come on in for some serious good TG style Fragging.

Thus endth the rant.

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Fetch

Very well said. I will try to live up to that.

Tempus

Thre more regulars we have playing, the fewer random pubbies on the server. This will help gameplay.

And there will be a day when supporting members are able to automatically join any server, no matter how full it is. This will increase the concentration of good players on the server, and will definitely help gameplay.

Until then, educate and lead by example. And report problem players to admins.

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3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

AMosely

I'm a relative newcomer to this group, and only because of BF2. After two days I liked what I saw and contributed for the simple reason that I know it takes money to run three servers like that, and frankly the admins have been so responsive, they SHOULD be getting paid for it. So, I support this.

I haven't put a TG tag on me yet because I wasn't sure how important that was. Based on reading this thread, I'm still confused - it seems on one hand, we could end up with so many TG tags out there that it doesn't mean anything. On the other hand, though, how are we to distinguish ourselves from the rest of the cesspool of public smacktards?

I'm thinking I should change my tag, because what it comes down to for me is that I'm a TG style player (teamwork first), I support TG (both in $$ and ideals), and need to indicate that in my tag, for everyone's sake.

asch

To address the question about what can be done about some of these players (TG or not)... contact an admin. Use teamspeak if possible, PM if not. Give us the players name, offense, server, approx date/time. We do have BF recorder to refer back to.

As to the tags, it's not a requirement for anyone to wear them. It is required that you show respect and abide by our guidelines for playstyle and player conduct. If you are found in violation of either of those, don't be surprised if we ask you to remove the tag.

Wearing the tags is just one way for a player (supporting or not) to show their support of the community.

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StrikeFear

You need a script that will harvest the names of the players on the server, match them against the forum list of subscribed players (or an exported list the script can parse), randomly pick one, and send a kick command.

Now - there's likely a mismatch betwixt Forum names and in-game names. But the User CP has a box where the Supporting Member can put his BF2 nick. So use THAT list, exported to a text file. Make the text file updated, say, hourly. Requiring supporting members to fill in that block isn't too much to ask, is it?

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CingularDuality

There's actually an ID that is unique to each installation of the game. I think that eventually we'll be using that ID (which is permanent) instead of a nickname (which can change as easily as an email address).

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slugslinger

ya man i didnt know about tactical game b4 bf2 i went from server to server and i rarely every was in 1 taht had like ppl workin as a team and microphones that really pissed me off its just like playin all the other bf games TG is a awsome due to the fact of the sense of community and sportsmenship that all the players share and im pproud to be apart of that.

i agree with u nemisis ppl shouldnt wear the TG tag unless u share the same views of this community.

with that said and done i asked i asked asch and he gave me the good to go to wear the TG tag

asch

It's not a matter of getting permission from an admin. Players are welcome to wear the tags, but with those tags come responsibility. Responsibility to show respect, play by our rules and guidelines, help out each other, etc. And while the tags are open for people to use, players in violation will be asked to remove them.

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