Apophis

LOL.. I find it quite amusing to have a new player trying to tell me what TG is all about and that we should loosen up, or modify our whole philosophy to fit that player's desires.

I try and be as fair as possible, but when it comes to players exhibiting negative and destructive behavior towards TG, I have very little tolerance. People are more than welcome to discuss things with me privately, but if they stamp off like children if they don't get their way and start creating dissent amongst other players in the process. Well.....

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schemer

There is a difference between setting yourself apart and being an elitist, and even further than that, from cliques being created which can alienate members of a community. Often times, members of a elitist clique are the last to realize they are in one. My comments here are not about TG in comparison to other organizations, but within TG. And it isn't a statement about how things are, just an opinion/observation that the admins should be careful in how they set up rules/codes so as not to create that kind of environment outside of the specialized in house squads -which are, by design, intent on offering specific environments that cater to specific likemindedness of their members (yet still within the context of TG in general).

TG should never reduce its standards, I hope I didn't imply that whatsoever - that would be like a company abandoning its mission statement. No one questions the admin's authority, and I am sure no one is getting rich off the dues (although it wouldn't bother me if they did). I would just suggest you would not want a select few to decide who is worthy and who isn't if you want to create a long standing interactive and growing "community".

I don't know, but I'm guessing the owner's intent here is not to create a customer/vendor type environment, but more of a community with members and administrators of rules? But even if it is the former, I would think it still is in the best interest to be careful about elitiism - not that it exists now - like I said, that is what attracted me here in addition to the teamplay.

As far as creating as realistic environment as possible, hey, I'm right with you - although I honestly think this should be better described as a "fun realistic environment". In real life, air power does reign supreme, battles often are very much one sided, and more often than not the sides are stacked... not to mention, as Bane said, I've also done the military thing, I don't (and I would guess most don't) really want to recreate that (ambushes are lots of fun right? Not when you get eyes on target duty and have to sit in a bush for 2 days in 30 degrees and rain staring at an empty road...all for your 10 seconds of intense action... and god I hated marching and PT at 4:30 am)

I'd also add, again, with the understanding of your comments, that one of the things that really makes TG special is the fact that the servers are full.. Its one thing to have these rules and guidelines in place - its yet another to have them enforced, and still another to actually have full servers to play on with this type of atmosphere. I'm sure this isn't lost on the admins/management as a key component in why TG is successful. There are other team oriented grpups out there, but often they don't have the trifecta - either they don't enforce the rules, they have an "elite" core that seems to control everything and intimidate (often un-knowingly), making it not enjoyable to outsiders or casual players, or they simply never have enough players on the server for the full experience. TG has the trifecta, which is why I support it, respect the rules, and have a lot of fun with it.

On the honor code, I do think its important to lay something formal out, because there are areas that really can be argued both ways. In Asia not too long ago, it was honorable to kill yourself after humiliation.. in Western cultures, suicide, as opposed to owning up to failures is/was viewed as cowardly and hardly honorable. You can always argue both ways.

Anyway, sorry for rambling . must be a slow work day before the holiday! And yes, I am a newbie, only having been playing on TG for a couple of months, but isn't that one of the great things about TG, I can still have an opinion? Would you want it any other way?

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Apophis

Of course you're entitled to an opinion! My issue is more with folks that try and buck the system every way possible. When a player really doesn't understand our philosophy and has to fight every aspect of it, having that player try and tell me how I should change to make things more fitting for them is laughable. And no, I'm not lumping you in that category.

Everyone's input is valuable, and everyone's opinion can be heard. But as a mature and respect-oriented community, I expect those opinions to be mature and respectful.

I've said things similar to this recently. But the true sign of maturity is the ability to take input from someone else and say "hey, am I really being like this?" and answering that question honestly to yourself. When you start fighting everyone else, nothing good can come from it.

No one is getting rich from TG though. We just get more and more servers for various games! Recently we've had to invest quite a bit of cash into various backup solutions as well, we've gotten so big that we need a decent backup/disaster recovery solution for the community. Lots of fun stuff is always going on in the background, unfortunately not everyone gets to see a lot of it.

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Mjr Doodie

I put the |tg| on my nametag and I'm a new supporting member who believes in the philosophy of tg. If wearing the prefix offends anyone because I'm a newbie to TG I will remove it. Is there another prefix I can use to let other TG members know that I'm not a hopping around lone wolf teamkilling server jumping player? LOL
Thx

Trooper

thats the reason for the tag...you know the rules and you play by them...if someone gives your crap for it PM and Admin they will handle it.

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Jusb

The key to wearing the tag is to know ALL the rules and OBEY them. I played the other day and at least 2 players who i had not seen much-- granted i havent been playing as much -- w/ TG tags were breaking obvious rules.

I gave them a friendly reminder since no one else was and my TS was off and they told me I was wrong then proceeded to quote some made up rules they said was from the forum and bitch me out as a baby lol.

Everyone was new once -- including us SM's from June and we're no more special than the guy who started last week, but out of common courtesy and respect for everyone who plays here KNOW the rules and PLAY by them if you're gonna wear your tags.

Otherwise TG is no different than some POS glitching pubbie server.

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Trooper

bump for those new players to TG. Remember who you are representing and what you are representing

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that sounds like a good idea trooper.
-Vulcan

Cornholio(RAM)

I'm relatively new to the server, and absolutely love it! Although what your pointing out here is a bit of a discouraging factor. Many times in the past week I've been playing on the bf2 #1 server, I've noticed a lot of |TG| tagged people "crack jumping" and running in for the humiliation knife. Your right about how first impressions aren't always correct, but I continue to try and get a few team play friendly friends to join with me, but they get discouraged when they see the |TG| tag breaking the rules that make the server so appealing.

Until now, I've been quiet about it, and I really don't know what you guys can do about it... but from my standpoint (and my friends, new to the TG community) it's really discouraging to see, and I hope you guys take note of this.

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perry

Please check out the SOPs linked in my signature for the proper way of reporting a problematic player (hint - the quickest way to contact an admin is via TeamSpeak). At most, there's only 4 or 5 admins on at once, so it's impossible to police the 50+ other players on the server at once -- we need the community to help us help them.

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ChIck3nL3gz

Very well spoken. I too joined TG to work in a team with structured gameplay. I tried for one day after buying BF2 to play on a public server and decided never again. I was pointed to TG by someone on a different computer related site and here I've been since the start of 2005, not a very long time by any means. And I've met some wonderful people who are far superior than me but don't kill you for the sake of killing you because you are new and an easy target. They will actually help you, take the time to pull you aside and say, "Hey, follow me and I'll show you how to avoid being killed constantly." I have a great respect ofr every last person here and everytime I'm able to log ontot he server I smile because I know I'm going to be in a squad with some great leaders and I'm going to have a blast playing the way it's meant to be played.

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perry

Up, up, and away!

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Trooper

I was just gonna bump this. Maybe the orginal post should be copied and stickied for members to read

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that sounds like a good idea trooper.
-Vulcan

P8riot

I second that notion.

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Obi

It's quite interesting reading these older posts over again.

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Mastro

Good post, Nemesis. I'm still very, very new hear, and I completely agree with your post. I would hope that players that do not meet the proper standards of the quality that this community has set, would be sent away to play on some other server.