StrikeFear

I'm naming names, good and bad (in all but one case). Don't like it? Delete my post.

I was on MEC, TRYING to fly a bomber.

1. Props: Mishkan, USMC FA-18C pilot. Keeping the skies really, really wicked. I swear they were blood red. You made life hell up there, man. Keep up the good work.

2. Props: AzraelDarkmoon, MEC Commander. As I've seen before, understanding his troops, understanding the strategic picture, and balancing the two. I commend you on your understanding of the importance of holding the MEC airstrip.

3. Props: Bommando and squad, MEC GroundPounders. For fighting tooth and nail to keep your air force flying overhead. You took the dirty duty and did it with dedication and perseverence.

4. Criticism: [FDB]Octavius, MEC fighter pilot. For flying a jet out of the "Jets" squad. No - there's no good reason for this. This is largely why Mishkan kicked the crap out of us.

5. Criticism: MEC, several players in general. For getting in a jet when you're in a ground squad instead of joining the jets squad (when will people learn???)

6. Criticism: [FDB]Raub, MEC FDB squad leader. For letting your squad member fly a plane outside of the jet squad. No - there's no good reason for this. And you should know that.

7. Criticism: [FDB]Raub, MEC FDB squad leader. For doing almost nothing constructive with your squad. I know, I joined it. You played as sniper, and never gave your squad orders or objectives or led them in almost any way. That's cool - it was just a group of your FDB buddies hanging out, having a good time, right? Sure, only that's not TG. Go do that on the pubs, pls. On a TG server, make your squad useful. It's not fair to the 10 players who wanted to get on the TG server and play with teamwork, but you guys were taking up slots goofing off. And you should know that.



Question (here, I don't name names):
There was a guy on USMC who Mishkan and some others were initiating successive vote-kicks on. This guy flew the F15 for a bit. Trusting the names of the players who initiated the votes, I voted with them to kick the guy. But as usual, the community as a whole is completely ineffective on these affairs, and the guy didn't get kicked.

Here's the question: What was he doing, anyway?

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AzrealDarkmoon

Not to get off track, but does anyone have a real good way of defending the air strip. For the 1st half I tried to keep a fully loaded squad there to defend it, but I only had 4 full squads (plus 2-3 one/two man squads *sighs*). Whenever I would feel we had the air strip done I wanted to move out squad 8 to take positions but invariably 5 minutes I would see some hostiles in the area.

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Bommando

Lucky we had vehicles is all I can say

I reckon we saw every waypoint on that map (through no fault of yours). I have been in your shoes as CO on Kubra and know how frustrating it can be to have hostiles in your base, especially when they start making off with your vehicles and the dreaded Radar / UAV switching bug occurs. That map was quite fun tonight for us though. We saw plenty of action and got to know the roads pretty well.

*cues StrikeFear to work that into some kind of sexual innuendo *

icky

IMO, the best way to keep the pressure off of the airstrip is to hold the dam and the adjacent CP's. The squad(s) at the CP east of the dam can control the road which goes up and over the east side, and those defending the dam itself can control the tunnel and the path through the flag area. You will still need some dedicated airstrip defenders to fight off incoming paratroopers, but the dam CP's are key.

Mishkan

Thanks alot strikefear... I started getting bored though by continously following you around in circles, octavius did pretty good out there too. I was only able to get on your guys tail every so often after you were on mine.

The guy that I voted to kick (once) kept taking planes up then dying continuously(quickly) and he wasn't even in the air squad, but in a locked squad that had two members that weren't on the same sides of the map.

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octavius

Wow. Well StrikeFear, you know, if you were unhappy with the situation, what was stopping you from discussing your qualms while on VOIP and avoiding bottling it for this little call-out session in the forum? Seriously, this thread has the potential to get nasty and I don't think the moderators and community members would like ignition. Would you really like me to through and pick apart your limited observations?

Was there a jets squad? What was the squad's name? Was it easily identifiable that this squad was "The Jet Squad"? Should I get confirmation from a majority of teammates before grabbing a jet? Who was leading? What other members were onboard? If the jets squad was angry, they didn't inform me. Am I unaware of some rule where assets are relegated to certain squads? How do you enforce such a rule? Do other squads know what squad X or squad Y is up to?

Perhaps we should add this to the SOPs for clarification: All squads are required to make public to all other squads and squadmembers their whereabouts at all times along with their aims, goals, hopes, and aspirations.

In BF2, a lot of fog exists; we don't have all the information. What happens is this: we find a spark, a small accusation, some observation that leads supports something "we inherently know" based on terrribly small bit of information. As soon as this thought, this contention, enters the brain, we blind ourselves to all other information except that which supports our initial observation. You think you see someone guilty? You look for anything that supports that contention... all the while disregarding any other form of data input that might contradict.

I see three types of players when I'm playing: Red, Green, and Blue. Red guys you need to worry about, blue guys are secondary, green take top priority. I concern myself with my squad until told otherwise by the commander when leading.

StrikeFear, were you a commander at any point? Did you attempt to discuss the things you did not like at the time... to possibly find a little more information...? Because we all know merely one observer has all the facts and can easily pass judgment with omnipotent information. How long would you say ou

You're extrapolating with limited and bad data from the start.

So this is what it might condense to: You don't like the way we were playing and simply tried to play it off as we were the bad guys, ruining the game, creating a terrible atmosphere for the rest... Try not to turn "the rest of hte team" against us, because a) they probably don't care, and b) they weren't affected, and c) we're big boys, if they have a problem, let them deal with it. Shouldn't we see a flood of posts condemning our complete disregard for their fun? I see one. One post, from one limited perspective, complaining of a completely ambiguous aspect that is not regulated in any fashion.

Before judgement was passed and we were instantly condemned, I was indeed in a jet aircraft for about 15 minutes of the game - kicking the crap out of many. Players from the USMC were indeed initiating kickvotes concerning use of the F15. I see this whole thread about players staking a claim to vehicles, aircraft, and other assets... and footstamping when they don't get their way. It's very childish in the end - kids fighting over toys. Do we need a babysitter?

The content of this post is justified because I am on the defense - nobody likes being called out. I am not going to defend my actions in game because of one framed and limited perspective, we need more information and multiple perspectives for that.

Next time, talk to us on voip will ya? Hell I'd even settle for a PM - I can save energy forming a public reply that way.

PS, was battlerecorder on? Is there any way you might like to demonstrate our terrible gameplay, well past prime time, just about to log off?

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Tempus

Octavius is right. There is no place here for calling out other members of our community. If it is impossible to voice a constructive post without singleing out others, then you should not post at all.

Both sides have been heard and this case is closed. Take it to PM if you wish.

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