TEMM

I just read a thread that was complaining about how the blackhawk and apc cant hold a whole squad, and i had this thought. The APCs and Vans, as well as the blackhawk should be able to hold an entire squad in the back, + pilot/driver (and gunners in the blackhawk). This would allow for squads of armor drivers to ferry squads around without any of them having to run around, and would allow for better coordination of assets so apcs arent just sitting around. Drivers could drop a squad and cover for a short time then go back for another squad. Same with the blackhawk, although it would be a kill factory with 9 people onboard, it should be able to hold a complete squad in the crew compartment. I mean really, the pilot and gunners should NEVER get out of the helo. I dont think pilots are allowed to leave their helo's under combat conditions in real life either. It would make sense, if the pilot dies so does the squad.

improbablecause

I always thought it would be cool if people could sit on the sides of the tank.

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Phelan Ward

Someone been playing Halo lately.

Honestly that would be instant death by the amount of fire tanks take. On the other hand a meat shield on my tank might absorb some of those rockets.

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Telorn

It's just good for a quick transport. I'd jump the hell off the moment any enemy contact was made.

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Telorn

DICE probably doesn't allow full squads plus drivers/gunners because of balance issues. They probably found out during play testing that it made them too powerful.

Imagine a 6 man squad defending a position that comes under attack from an APC driver with a full squad. All 6 members jump out to engage the defense while the driver shreads the 6 men to pieces.

Or worse yet, a 3 man crew BH with 6 squad members. the 6 members bail out and the 2 gunners go to work on the 6 defenders. The defending squad would almost always lose in this situation (as they do now).

Now it would be interesting if a vehicle could carry 12 men + driver but have no weapons...it's strictly transport. That would make for some interesting assaults...and deaths

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SmokingTarpan

Okay, so an APC dropping off 6 people and then still being operable would be feasibly unbalanced. But exactly how unbalanced would it be to drop off 5 people, and then still have an operable APC? Seriously, why give the APC enough spots for a driver + 4 squadmates? Would that 5th guy on the ground overpower things so much?

My biggest complaint about the APC is having to leave a man behind; that needs to be changed. I think it's really poor design, considering that EA/DICE knew that squads could contain up to 6 people that need to stick together.

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Phelan Ward

He could always just surf on the APC...

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Telorn

I believe it's only the USMC APC that can only fit 5. The MEC and Chinese APCs can fit 6. I know at least 1 country's APC can fit 6.

I guess DICE's concern was more for gameplay balance rather than keeping teams together easily. Go figure, since they'll all about the 'teamplay' thing.

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SmokingTarpan

Really? I'll have to keep my eyes open. I'm fairly sure that I've piloted all APC's in the game, and I've never fit 6 people inside.

And yea Phelan, he could surf. Except for the poison coated, razor-sharp paint. :P

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Telorn

Maybe I was just really tired. The different positions of the seats could have confused me and led me to believe it was 6. I know I always prefer the MEC or Chinese APC because they have rear gunner positions. Is the US really so stupid as to not cover its rear?

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SmokingTarpan

Unless the only APC's I've ever ridden in were stolen, the US APC's have rear gunner seats too.

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Telorn

Maybe it depends on the map, because I am absolutely positive that a USMC APC exists that only has 2 seats on the left and 2 seats on the right. I'm not so sure about the 6-man APC. But I know this exists.

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TheMuncher

I'm almost sure that the USMC has 1 per side, and 1 facing backwards. I'd have to say my favorite APC is the USMC though, the Chinese fires to fast, and something about the MEC version I don't like.

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Phelan Ward

One of them has a seat on either side and two in back. I think thats the USMC one. Another has two on either side and I believe it's the MEC one. The Chinese one has two on one side, one in back, and one on the other side.

I managed to ride on top of a tank for about a 100m before he bumped something and I died.

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Shiner

I really like the idea of a "transport" squad... but only if they remove the ability to cap flags while in a vehicle.

I think you would quickly see the unbalanced aspects of the blackhawk squads change when you force them to land and get out or parachute to cap a spawn.

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