jex

That is no excuse. ALL squads follow the CO. Sounds like some flyboys think they're too good to take orders.

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Napalmenator

I did but they wouldnt talk. Another squad was relaying for them.. it was very odd.. it was a daytime game so mostly non-TG ppl on..so that is part of it i know.

StrikeFear

It's a little early to judge. Just because someone declines an order doesn't mean either that they're in rebellion or that they "think they're too good."

I've declined orders before for a variety of reasons, and in squads other than the air squad. Naturally, I informed the CO why I declined. Nevertheless, there are good reasons.
Sounds to me like it was a case of communication breakdown. They needed to talk more. There might have been an underlying problem as well, sure.

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icky

There are some potentially good reasons:
- there is nobody on the team using the chopper, so someone grabs it to support their ground squad, rather than having it used against them
- the pilot has spawned at home base and is on his way to pick up his gunner on the other side of the map
- someone has just formed a new squad, and they are looking for someone to join and be their gunner

Also, there is such a thing as new players. Everyone starts somewhere, and it doesn't warrant the label "smacktard".

StrikeFear

I stand humbly corrected.

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Phelan Ward

Am I allowed to kick newb pilots from my squad? It's not like their intentionally not following my orders if they keep crashing their heli upon take off. Should I just ask them to learn to fly on their own time and give them the boot? It makes me feel kinda harsh even though they shouldn't be learning to fly in a full server.

As an SL what are the conditions under which I can kick someone, besides smacktardary?

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Alpocalypse

The only problem I've had with Coms while in air squads is being ordered to take an objective. I tried to explain to the one com in particular that my squad was airborne(in jets and gunships) but he just could not understand why we could not cap a flag. I wonder how a ground squad would react if they were ORDERED to take out enemy jets without using aircraft themselves?

-Alpoc

JMJ

Is smacktardary a word? Doesn't matter, that's damn funny and it's now a part of my sig

Phelan Ward

I'm quite sure I made it up but now that I think about it that is pretty funny. Enjoy it.

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jex

I'm going by what is written, and from what is stated above I think these people were out of order. Re-read Napalmenator's post.

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Santa

sometimes when im in jets ive had commanders tell me "attack this base, its empty". I then explain to him that im in the air and cant do that. Ive also been given orders to attack a base that had way too many friendlies in it, and explained to him that i dont want to rack up 10 tks. But anytime a CO gives me an order in a jet i tell him im in the air and ask if he knew that. Some commanders give smart orders to jet squads, but the vast majority dont (either cuz they dont know its a jet squad, or theyre just not bright), so its best to make sure they know what theyre doin before commiting to a CO order in a jet.

JMJ

Last night was the first time where I ran in a jet squad, but only for like the last half of a round (joined late). Man, that was a blast! I racked up 2 Tk's bombing a friendly copter...how I managed that I have no idea (ask Cymba what he saw). I know what you're saying...my SL said to attack a certain flag, and I said okay. Upon approaching, I never saw a clean shot, friendlies were all over. I just relayed to my SL that bombing there would've been really bad at that moment. He said "no problem, do it when you can." Took about 2 more passes before the friendlies were gone and we resumed bombing.

I definitely saw the effectiveness of the CO telling us where to bomb though. There was only one bombing run where I did not kill anyone, so he was on the money with his orders.

icky

It would be best as a jet squad to introduce yourselves to the CO at the start and tell him what you can help with. It isn't always obvious, even if he knows that you are an air squad.

Napalmenator

Thanks for the info. Helps to see the other side. Gives me more ideas on how to use an air squad better. I think it is all about communication. It helps to be on voip. since it is really hard to type and fly.. :>

Bodofooko

As far as only 1 person in helos goes, i've had that problem a few times. I suck at helo piloting, but whenever I see one not being used I generally jump in and try to at least provide some air presence. I start my own "helo" squad so someone can spawn on me and I broadcast that I need a gunner, but some of the time no one takes me up on my invitation. So if you ever see my flying solo in an attack chopper, please jump in.