CymBa

They also significantly reduced the throttle response on the choppers. Mainly in descending , its a lot harder to descend now. Overall the choppers feel a bit too 'floaty' now. Like I'm sliding along a well oiled rail in the air.

I like being stuck in cockpit view all the time. Leads to greater immersion even tho it significantly reduces my sight radius. But feels a lot more like being IN a helo.

Other than that it seems interesting but yeah sniper rifle does seem a lil overpowered.

Oh one thing that surprised me. You can still HeloCap.

solodude23

Well, for those of you who havn't, please make some good suggestions for the next build. Wanna make sure the DEV's hear your feedback.

http://realitymod.com/forum/index.php

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I played it yesterday for a couple of hours and it's great fun, the only thing that I found sub-par was lack of teamwork and VOIP was disabled on the servers I played on. Of course that has nothing to do with the mod itself, the mod in itself is great, those bullets really hurt now and recoil kicks ass. I love it, if TG adopted a PRMM server I wouldn't play anything else.
Sure, there's always room for improvement and this mod is no exception, but the amount of negative feedback on these forums, especially from people who haven't tried the mod - it is just staggering. You know what we call your kind on digital photography forums? Measurebators! Tag you're it now.

But this really is a great mod in my opinion, it "feels" much better than the vanilla BF2, the arcadish factor is seriously decreased with it.

icky

I haven't tried it, and I won't bother either. The reason is that I think they are fixing things which are not broken. In my opinion, there is a very short list of items in BF2 which negatively impact gameplay. I know that this opinion is not shared by the developers of this mod, so I can conclude pretty quickly that it won't improve MY BF2 experience. I think that most of the negative feedback you have seen comes from the same line of thinking.

I would much rather see modded maps.

perry

This is how I feel as well. If I wanted a realistic infantry game I'd go play AA. I like the arcadey feel of BF2 and really don't have too many problems with the actual gameplay (that is, if you ignore the bugs...). Increasing damage, taking away crosshairs, making tanks easier to kill.. I don't have any problem with the way things are now, I don't think I would enjoy a mod that changes them.

I'm looking forward to playing new maps and full game makeovers...

John CANavar

hmm, I thought almost all tactical gamers here would LOVE this mod just like I did, wrong assumption

Lionel-Richie

This mod isn't very user friendly and makes the game look less polished. That's the problem : /

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I'll give it a try when they say it's done and they are sure that it can be uninstalled properly...

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John CANavar

if the thing you call "polishing" means lots of HUD items, realism-fans, dont want it anyway...

I prefer almost nothing on HUD (no name tags, minimap, ammo indicator, health bar, etc) That gives me a lot more immersion. And I know I am not the only one.

It is a matter of preference. But when you are talking about this mod, you have to remember "what it is trying to achieve". If they are doing what they promise, even if you dont like the changes, it is still a good mod in its category...

Toshido

Well us old time TG members will love realism mods. more Realistic the better.

The new TG players which are here solely for BF2 will likely stay with the arcadey BF2 and just enjoy TG for the increased communications.

Both of which is fine and thankfully vanilla BF2 is a good comprimise bringing both worlds together. Illustrated by the huge increase in TG members since the BF2 release.

solodude23

In the next release it is going to be more "polished" and a fire mode indicater, as well as a possible healthbar will be added.

In the next release it is going to be more "polished" and a fire mode indicater, as well as a possible healthbar will be added.
Only problem so far is that not one server has VOIP enabled I think.....but for that its still alot more tactical than Vanilla BF2. Just for a day or whatever I think even a private upporting member match with PRMM would be cool, so yall could see what its

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Lionel-Richie

It's not a mod I'd like to see TG servers become.

And yes, healthbar is one thing. You have no idea how close to death you are, and if I had bullet holes in me in real life, I'd know I was in trouble. Even a soldier avatar that goes from green-yellow-red would work.

The # of clips number just looks kinda out of place, like an FPS meter or beta run.

Also, there's bleeding in it right? Where you bleed until a medic heals you? I'd give a "bleed" icon so a player knows instead of thinking they are getting randomly shot at.

Just because it's a realism mod does not mean it has to sacrifice aspects like UI. You forget that realisticly I could check to see if I'm bleeding, but I can't look around at my body in this. Or I could count my clips to see how much I have left (Or Ammo in the SAW's case...it's a pain to not know if you are running out and then all of the sudden your belt ends.

I guess we see realism mods differently (but realism should NOT hurt gameplay), but here is what my take on "realism" in a video game would entail:

+Realistic Encounters- This is directed at tanks. Tanks are something to be feared in combat. Tanks died a lot easier (from what I tested) and basically would just take one AT man to take it out. While that can be realistic it encourages players to mass AT class on heavy armor levels and make them utterly useless. This, in turn, deviates from reality as the US Marines aren't going to throw 30 AT troops into battle :P

+Realistic Damage- When I shoot someone in the head, they are supposed to die (unless it's a pistol round to the helmet, but that's an extra hitbox). I think the damage problem in vanilla BF2 is related to network coding and hitboxes. (That is, unless bots have lower HP than a player. It's also evident by the missile-going-through-the-chopper hitbox issue) If Dice fixes that there may be no need for realism in this department.

+Realistic Screen- Ok. I think there needs to be a UI because the point of a UI is to cross the border between the player and who the player is trying to be. The player cannot feel the character, so he has a health bar. He cannot count his bullets, so he has an ammo indicator. I believe that a UI is required for this (minimalist UI is ok, personally I prefer more than just floating numbers...but I dislike tacky things). However I like it when I cannot differentiate teammates from enemies. Floating icons and random blue/red text takes away from immersion like you said. The problem I see here is increased Vehicle TKs. You cannot tell if an enemy or friend is driving that tank. *shrug* That is realistic I guess, except it's a lot harder to steal an M1A1 tank in real life than in this game.

+Realistic Vehicles- Let's see...someone said choppers were a lot harder to fly in this, I haven't tested it myself though. Why would you do this? I don't think anyone wants to feel like they're playing a Microsoft Flight Sim while playing a video game. Sure, some may, but that just decreases the number of possible pilots and increases the number of terrible pilots. Probably the reason choppers are easier to fly in BF2 than in BFV. Once again, a gameplay issue.

+Realistic Hits- No hit detection and blood. Good, I liked that in the mod. Now I can't snipe enemies from far off with my pistol Blood helps the immersion too.

+Realistic Sniper- Snipers are infantry disablers. I'm assuming the mod ups the damage of it and perhaps increases accuracy (usually in BF you have to let your sight "settle" after aiming, didn't have to in this mod). While this is realistic (like the AT argument), it encourages more and more snipers. Like I said, the US Marines aren't going to send our a bazillion snipers to fight off infantry.

I didn't say the mod is a bad one, and I congratulate the work the creators have done (as I am not a modder myself), but realistic infantry combat is in AA. Battlefield is supposed to be a mesh of several theatres of war and is balanced accordingly.

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That's one of the things that was better in BF1942. I don't want just anyone to be able to jump in a chopper and fly it... I want good pilots to be a rare thing. I want this game to be a combination FPS, flight sim, naval warfare sim (BF2 dropped that, but BF had it...), ground combat sim and RTS. It's done a decent job of that, but there's certainly room for improvement...

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TEMM

My biggest turn off from this mod is the lack of feedback, as others have stated. This is a GAME and as such we have very little situational awareness, beyond what is provided to us by the game. For example in real life, I can check my ammo pouches to check how many magazines I have remaining for my weapon. I am also capable of knowing how injured I am. I would also have a "feel" for where my weapon is pointed without raising the iron sights.
It is of my opinion however, that adding these visual feedback elements do not detract from the immersion of the game. What detracts from immersion in the game are points where I have to conciously think about whats going on and try to figure out how much damage ive taken where exactly my weapon is pointing. Anything that makes me transition from gaming to thinking about the game is a loos in immersion. If all of the feedback information is provided for me, i dont have to think about anything but the experience.

Usarion

I played around with it a bit. I certainly enjoyed it. The best improvment IMO is the hit detection, and the hit damage. They both seem far more realistic. You don't have to fill a guy in to kill him. A double tap to the chest, and it's lights out. Consequently, a head shot is almost always a kill. I will be watching this one closly as they develop it further.

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