StupidAwesome

#6 of the BF2 rules and Guidelines lists "Crack-Jumping is FORBIDDEN," and further defines such activity as "the act of continually jumping while engaged in combat or reloading with the intent to avoid being hit."

I don't post much on these forums, but have been playing on TG pub since release (and Apophis' private server when it was listed on SomethingAwful) and I know the rules. Yet several times in the past few days I have been accused of bunny hopping or crack jumping after doing a single evasive jump during combat.

I tend to use jump most when firing the grenade launcher at an enemy close to me, or to throw hand grenades farther. I also like to jump and fire the shotgun downward as I land on a prone or kneeling opponent to ensure a greater chance of hitting vital areas rather than the ground. But all of these times and others, there is only a single jump, after which I have occasionally been accused of breaking the rules.

So I ask, can a single jump be in any way "crack jumping?" Even more specifically, is firing my weapon while jumping breaking the rules? The large majority of weapons are at their worst accuracy during a jump, so am I doing wrong? Or are we only allowed to jump to get over a ledge?

Pokerface

Focus not on the "the act of continually jumping while engaged in combat or reloading" part, but rather the "with the intent to avoid being hit" part, and I think you'll see the answer to your question.



(which is yes, BTW )

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StupidAwesome

Actually that is a logical error taking a part of the statement out of context. The rule itself would need to be changed to fit your conclusion because the part which you highlight is dependant on the first part, "continually jumping," to make grammatical sense.

In the same way, I could say focus only on the "reloading" part of the statement and say you are not allowed to reload while engaged in combat.

If the rule was stated as "act of jumping or continually jumping while engaged in combat or reloading with the intent to avoid being hit," then I would agree with you.

JMJ

Wyzcrak

Your question is flawed. Don't concern yourself with what is and isn't a bunnyhop as much as what is and isn't a departure from our desire to maintain a reasonable likeness to reality, as that is our concern when creating bunnyhopping rules at all.

Wouldn't you agree that jumping even once, with the intent to avoid being shot, is a departure from the combat simulation we're looking for?

If your answer is YES, then you know not to do that.

If your answer is NO, let me know what I can do to help you better understand "the combat situation we're looking for," as your understanding of that remains sufficiently departed from the admins' understanding such that you might play enough outside of it as to justify admin action while you're playing... and no one wants that.

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jament

Clearly the spirit of the rule is to ban the use of jumping to avoid being shot. If you jump to avoid enemy fire, then "accidentaly" empty a clip into the enemy while you're in the air, it doesn't matter that there was only 1 hop. You violated the rules.

If you're scouring the grammar to find a loophole, you'll find one. That doesn't make the action within the rules, however.

=Sarc=

Nevertheless, "continually" should be removed to avoid confusion. The less chance for a loophole, the better.

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StupidAwesome

Alright, and sorry I missed the other post. I STRONGLY feel the rule needs to be reworded however, not only to include single jumps but also with intent to gain better firing position which is what I jump during combat for.

And I do disagree with you. If someone starts shooting at me in real life I sure as hell might jump and roll out of the way into better cover. I would not, however, jump around in circles like an idiot which is what is how I originally interpreted the rule.

Wyzcrak

You might jump, but you wouldn't maintain control of your fire as the game allows you to mid-air.

Beyond that, you're welcome to disagree.

Question asked. Question answered. Thread closed.

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