What does the chopper gunner see?

perry · 09-08-2005, 03:53 PM

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29408 - now you chopper pilots know how big of an area your gunner is looking at when trying to line up targets.

I think it's interesting. Concentrate on the info provided by the thread starter, not the dopes that responded

|TG|Elite_Ninja · 09-08-2005, 04:18 PM

Thats sweet! I really didn't know what they saw, I just tryed to line up the thing in the middle of the screen on what I wanted to target.

StrikeFear · 09-08-2005, 04:59 PM

No - that's totally wrong.
I've checked this myself, and that's not right. (I'll re-confirm)

The gunner's view is BELOW the pilot's.
He sees from the reticle down a little below the "gunner's view" indicator.

I dont' know how this guy did this test - but it's wrong.

AMosely · 09-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Wow is that helpful. I always thought it was the box indicated by "gunner view" - this is important info.

Anyone supposed that was done intentionally to throw off helo gunners?

SmokingTarpan · 09-08-2005, 05:12 PM

Yea, I gotta agree with Strike. However that guy did the test, that's not what it looks like. Frankly, I thought his screenshot manipulations were unreadable, anyway.

Varp · 09-08-2005, 05:22 PM

u gonna post a more accurate representation ?

I think he may have got the alignment wrong, but the scaling is still informative...where, then, would you suggest the gunner's POV is when on the camera ?

given the fantastically zoomed-in nature of the TV missile view, it would be dead handy for a pilot to know...

Are the gun and TV missile POV identical ?

SPOOKS_UK · 09-08-2005, 05:41 PM

i think the missile guided camera is just underneath the cockpit if you look on the helicopter just in front of where the turret is there is box type thing and ive found the missile guided camera to be well below the pov of the gunner so i think its lower than the pov of the pilot and gunner

Arf · 09-08-2005, 06:51 PM

Line up the crosshair with a landmark (the wheel of a jet) while the jet is landed. Switch seats. You'll see that the gunner view is not just a magnification of the pilot view.

I don't use the helicopters too often but I thought the gunner view was so the pilot would know where the machine gun was pointed.

**TG_Bubba** · 09-09-2005, 12:41 AM

Maybe if you took the chopper and landed on the edge of a roof, sat in the pilots seat screen shot, then the gunner, screen shot, would that not give you what you are looking for instead of trying it while flying?

Ludlow · 09-09-2005, 12:47 AM

Finally something I can comment on.

The Missle view is 50% between the Pilots crosshair center and the gunners view center.

Meaning half way between the Pilots crosshairs and what the pilot uses to see where the gunner is aiming his cannon is dead center for the missle view.

-Ludlow

StrikeFear · 09-09-2005, 01:24 AM

Yes, when I get a chance, I'll post screenshots, if someone doesn't beat me to it.

Santa · 09-09-2005, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludlow

Finally something I can comment on.

The Missle view is 50% between the Pilots crosshair center and the gunners view center.

Meaning half way between the Pilots crosshairs and what the pilot uses to see where the gunner is aiming his cannon is dead center for the missle view.

-Ludlow

This seems about right. I used to just set the lil box at the bottom up to the armor i wanted destroyed and the gunner kept telling me to go lower. So now i just put the box under the enemy armor and they seem to get good shots.

perry · 09-09-2005, 02:17 AM

Ok, here's four shots of the MEC chopper on Oman. The nose was hanging off the roof so I didn't get any of it in the shots.

http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aav.jpg - pilot with HUD on
http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aay.jpg - pilot with HUD off
http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aaw.jpg - gunner with HUD on
http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aax.jpg - gunner with HUD off

I tried scaling the gunner shots 50% and overlaying them on the pilot's shot, but 50% isn't exactly right vertically. I could get the crane aligned, but the fence at the bottom would be off. Don't feel like messing with it more.

The centered crosshair on the MEC chopper seems to be down a good bit and off to the left a tiny bit, compared to the pilot's view. Maybe this missle on is on the left winglet? Seems what Ludlow said is right, huh?

http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aaz.jpg - USMC gunner with HUD off, note the camera seems to be off to the right of the front gun... maybe the missle is on the right winglet?

StrikeFear · 09-09-2005, 10:19 AM

During the extensive testing that Lagomorph, Xeil and I did for the mini-gun bug, we DID note that the Gunner TV camera is located on the RIGHT side of the helo's fuselage.
Hence, not only is the view lower and smaller than the pilot's, it is also shifted right by a couple (in-game) feet.

Below are attached 2 pics.
1: Overlay gunner view (hud) with gunner view (no hud). Draw rectangle.
2: Pilot view - with gunner view rectangle drawn in place. (why bother with rescaling? Approximate is close enough.)

Apparently the camera on the MEC chopper is slightly on the left of the chassis.

09-08-2005, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	What does the chopper gunner see? http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29408 - now you chopper pilots know how big of an area your gunner is looking at when trying to line up targets. I think it's interesting. Concentrate on the info provided by the thread starter, not the dopes that responded

09-08-2005, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
\|TG\|Elite_Ninja Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 33	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Thats sweet! I really didn't know what they saw, I just tryed to line up the thing in the middle of the screen on what I wanted to target.

09-08-2005, 04:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
StrikeFear Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,877	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? No - that's totally wrong. I've checked this myself, and that's not right. (I'll re-confirm) The gunner's view is BELOW the pilot's. He sees from the reticle down a little below the "gunner's view" indicator. I dont' know how this guy did this test - but it's wrong. __________________ "You live and learn. Or you don't live long." - Lazarus Long

09-08-2005, 05:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 34 Posts: 2,805	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Wow is that helpful. I always thought it was the box indicated by "gunner view" - this is important info. Anyone supposed that was done intentionally to throw off helo gunners?

09-08-2005, 05:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
SmokingTarpan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,472	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Yea, I gotta agree with Strike. However that guy did the test, that's not what it looks like. Frankly, I thought his screenshot manipulations were unreadable, anyway. __________________ [squadl] "I am the prettiest african-american, vietnamese..cong..person." -SugarNCamo

09-08-2005, 05:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Varp Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South-West UK Age: 36 Posts: 36	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? u gonna post a more accurate representation ? I think he may have got the alignment wrong, but the scaling is still informative...where, then, would you suggest the gunner's POV is when on the camera ? given the fantastically zoomed-in nature of the TV missile view, it would be dead handy for a pilot to know... Are the gun and TV missile POV identical ?

09-08-2005, 05:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
SPOOKS_UK Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Derbyshire, England Age: 19 Posts: 141	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? i think the missile guided camera is just underneath the cockpit if you look on the helicopter just in front of where the turret is there is box type thing and ive found the missile guided camera to be well below the pov of the gunner so i think its lower than the pov of the pilot and gunner

09-08-2005, 06:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Arf Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 973	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Line up the crosshair with a landmark (the wheel of a jet) while the jet is landed. Switch seats. You'll see that the gunner view is not just a magnification of the pilot view. I don't use the helicopters too often but I thought the gunner view was so the pilot would know where the machine gun was pointed. __________________

09-09-2005, 12:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
TG_Bubba Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: behind a scope looking at birdie Age: 54 Posts: 6,350	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Maybe if you took the chopper and landed on the edge of a roof, sat in the pilots seat screen shot, then the gunner, screen shot, would that not give you what you are looking for instead of trying it while flying? __________________ Tactical Game Primer\|Call of Duty - Official Rules, Announcements & SOPs\|Have a problem? Need an admin? TG_Mateo: "Forget freedom, democracy, the blues and New York Pizza: Our lasting contribution to human society is Bourbon."

09-09-2005, 12:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ludlow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 24	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Finally something I can comment on. The Missle view is 50% between the Pilots crosshair center and the gunners view center. Meaning half way between the Pilots crosshairs and what the pilot uses to see where the gunner is aiming his cannon is dead center for the missle view. -Ludlow

09-09-2005, 01:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
StrikeFear Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,877	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Yes, when I get a chance, I'll post screenshots, if someone doesn't beat me to it. __________________ "You live and learn. Or you don't live long." - Lazarus Long

09-09-2005, 02:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
perry Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,494	Re: What does the chopper gunner see? Ok, here's four shots of the MEC chopper on Oman. The nose was hanging off the roof so I didn't get any of it in the shots. http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aav.jpg - pilot with HUD on http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aay.jpg - pilot with HUD off http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aaw.jpg - gunner with HUD on http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aax.jpg - gunner with HUD off I tried scaling the gunner shots 50% and overlaying them on the pilot's shot, but 50% isn't exactly right vertically. I could get the crane aligned, but the fence at the bottom would be off. Don't feel like messing with it more. The centered crosshair on the MEC chopper seems to be down a good bit and off to the left a tiny bit, compared to the pilot's view. Maybe this missle on is on the left winglet? Seems what Ludlow said is right, huh? http://www.webmasterp.com/albums/bf2/aaz.jpg - USMC gunner with HUD off, note the camera seems to be off to the right of the front gun... maybe the missle is on the right winglet?

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