BHack

1. When an enemy is spotted, there are many times where it never shows up on my mini-map, why is that? Just earlier I was on the TG server with one other guy on my team, who was the commander. He was spotting things (spotted with the name of the vehicle) and it just never showed up on my 2d map. I also realize you can fake name spot things by clicking the right mouse button, however, this was not the case. Even sometimes when I spot something it doesn't show up on my minimap. Are there certain conditions for a spot to show up? If so, what are they.

2. This has bugged me since day one and I still dont' have a solution. When dead, looking at the spawn map: WHY can I sometimes see grey/vacant vehicles and sometimes I can't. What are the rules for this? On bases that we own shouldn't we be able to see available vehicles? This would have a direct impact on where I spawn. It seems that sometimes I do see vacant vehicles, but its not often.

When alive, I generally have my 2d minimap zoomed all the way out so i can see the most area. And while zoomed out this far you cannot see vacant vehicles. I have a feeling the bug may be that, even though you can't control zoom on the spawn map, it carries the zoom level over from when you were alive. Someone should test this. ****, I guess I should. Anyway, just a random thought I had while typing this out, but maybe you guys already know why?

Thanks.

CingularDuality

Dunno 'bout your first question, but with your second, I can see vacant vehicles when I'm in my squad selection screen, but not my kit selection screen when I'm dead. Or is it vice versa? Try switching between the two...

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Arf

From what I've seen I'd assume there's a maximum distance from which you can see spotted objects on the minimap but the minimap can show space beyond that distance. I think if you switch to the full map you can see spotted objects that don't show up on the minimap.

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Tempus

This happens even to the CO, and only with vehicles. I will spot them, but they won't appear as spotted on the mini-map. I believe that it's due to the driver of the vehicle being a SpecOps. I am not sure of that, though.

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StrikeFear

I doubt that's the case. See:
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlefield-2-tactics-missions-discussion/57788-collection-game-facts.html

It's extra frustrating for jet squads who are trying to prosecute those spotted targets. Be they tanks or enemy jets, we hear the spot, but have no idea where they are.

You definitely CAN control the zoom on the squad screen, and not the kit screen.

Other than that, I can offer you no help. I have the same questions.

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Strikeman

I have encountered the no spotting issue also. When flying as a pilot in the gunship I often hear calls of "enemy slick inbound" but as soon as I look at the minimap I dont see anything. Its definitely frustrating. So one is calling for help and you can't do a thing

Wulfyn

2. As Cing said you can only see it in your tactical screen (the squad selector), and not in your spawn screen (kit selection and spawn points).

As Arf commented - I can confirm that it has to do with distance. You notice it more when you are dead as this is when you are most likely to look at your tactical screen whilst in-game (ie spawned, you may be dead but you still have a location).

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BHack

Thanks Wulfyn. The distance things seems to be the most plausible. That is interesting though, its probably the same distance that you hear the comm-rose radio commands then. Or do you just hear every radio command issued by a teammate no matter where they are on the map?

Wulfyn

That's an interesting question Bhack... I always assumed it was just everyone, but then maybe you'd get a lot more 'spotted' come up than you do...

It's an interesting one to test!

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Landorin

About 1:
I made a similar experience. Sometimes I report an enemy unit to the map and it either doesn't show up (then I report it again) and sometimes they do appear but vanish really quickly again. The way this behaved I believe it has to do with the distance to the target (once it's too far away it vanishes) and/or if you have a line of sight to the target. Either or both seems to affect how long the enemy unit is visible on the map.

As commander I made a new experience a few days ago: I always wondered how the other commanders spotted enemy units on the map, so I figured they click on "spotted" after they did a radar scan. However, these units never showed up on the map until I tried to fully zoom in and marked the units, that usually works (not always). I don't know why it doesn't seem to work with a smaller zoom (maybe it's harder to click on the accurate position since the red dots are sometimes not placed accurately compared to the full zoom).

BHack

Well I guess my question about vacant vehicles has been answered. Apparently I just assumed there was a problem since I was only sometimes seeing vacancies on the squad screen. When in fact, the vehicles were just in use.

As a followup to that though, can you actually see ALL vacant vehicles/assets on the squad selector screen? Or just vacancies at flags your team owns? I won't see enemy jets vacant, will I?


The spotted consistency still eludes me though. Someone more scientific than I should test the distance theory.

jepzilla

I'm pretty sure you'll see all vacant vehicles. I watch for this sometimes to see whether a CP is defended.

BHack

Here's another Q I just thought of.

I've heard rumors of accuracy and even damage bonuses for using the iron sights. Is this true?

I ask because there are situations where I want the most accuracy, so I go prone, but am just too close to want to use the iron sights.

So if i'm lying on my belly, am I loosing anything by not being zoomed in with the sights?

StrikeFear

Another reason to make use of airstrikes via TS. Jets can't always see your spotting. There's a decent chance that no one outside of your immediate area is gonna come help you with that tank by just spotting it.

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/showthread.php?t=58969

For this, we need pilots and grunts set up.

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BHack

The distance thing can get more complicated though, i've seen spots show up on my minimap that are QUITE far away. Is it the distance from the spotter or the spotted entity that is the requirement?