Servers other than TG?

KestrelZ17 · 01-09-2006, 12:40 PM

I was wondering if there is any place on TG where it is appropriate to inform people of other servers that promote a TG style of gameplay.

I was reading through the posts from over the weekend and noticed that Bonehead posted a poll guaging interest in playing on a "TG style" ranked server. While I understand the reasons behind Tempus closing that post (i.e. ranked servers are not within the spirit of TG), I do wonder if there might be an advantage in allowing some posts concerning the playstyle of other servers.

From what I have seen, the TG servers are primarily populated during the evening hours of EST (at least during the week). During the daytime hours, they seem to be empty on a fairly regular basis. While this works for me as I play primarily at night, there are times when I am home from work and have the opportunity to play (sans kids and wife) during the day. Unfortunately, the only way for me to do this is to jump on a low ping server and see how things go. As you can imagine, after playing on TG, I am usually disappointed. In fact, I typically end up quitting within the first 15 minutes and move on to different, non-BF2 things. I'm sure that many others have faced this situation as well.

I was thinking that it might be nice to have some input from other TGers who have played on other servers where the gameplay is similar to here (note, similar, not identical, since I don't think any server can match what we have here).

Perhaps we could limit it to non-ranked servers in order to alleviate concerns such as those raised by Tempus. There were also concerns raised that identifying other servers might split the population. I, for one, don't think that would come to fruition. I think that most people would see other servers as a place to play during TG's "off hours" and I doubt very many people would find the gameplay at other servers so superior to TG that they would leave here for there. Also, if people do leave, that would give our community a chance to see why they were leaving and if the features they were leaving for are something that TG was interested in adopting.

I understand that there are other forums where you can go and ask about servers, but everytime you hear about a teamplay server, it's TG. Maybe that means that we are the one and only, but it would be nice to hear from other TGer if there are "off hour" options.

With that said, I am sensitive to the concerns of the TG operators and admins. It is your server and you work hard and spend a lot to maintain it and the gameplay we have all come to enjoy. If you continue to feel that it is inappropriate to discuss other servers on TG, then that is your right and I accept your decision without reservation. After all, if not for TG, I wouldn't even be playing this game any more. For that, I thank you.

KZ17

**Pokerface** · 01-09-2006, 01:12 PM

In the past, we've curbed just about every discussion like the one you're proposing. The only one I can recall was one about non-USA servers for those who aren't living in the USA (and that one went through quite a bit of scrutiny as well).

That said, my recommendation would be to think twice before posting information on other servers here. It may be that once again practicality will beat out our fanaticism for our servers, but I'd not bet on it.

When in doubt, PM an admin/GO/Apophis.

KestrelZ17 · 01-09-2006, 01:17 PM

Thanks for the response.

Just to be clear, I have no intention whatsoever of posting information about other servers unless the admins approve it. In fact, i don't even know of any, which is why I posted in the first place.

Again, the only reason I brought it up was to see if there was any chance of this becoming an approved practice to some degree. If not, so be it. I can live with TG alone.

Mateo · 01-09-2006, 01:27 PM

All servers other than TG are dead to me.

Unless they are run by Blizzard. Then that's something different.

BHack · 01-09-2006, 01:36 PM

I don't quite understand why these threads get closed. This is a perfectly valid question and he went out of his way in his original post to point out that he is just looking for a TG alternative during non-peak hours.

This is my BF2 home, I support the community, and I like to play here. That being said - I too would like to know of other good mature servers to play around on when I have that rare opportunity to play at non-populated times.

What is with this cut throat business mindset of 'stealing customers'? People come to us because they like how we play, we like how we play and noone is going to find a 'better' place than TG for this style of play. However, when the best is not available (empty server) then where else can I go to avoid smacktardery?

TheRooster1 · 01-09-2006, 01:39 PM

Since playing TG, I haven't been in any other servers for more than 10 minutes TOTAL. For me, its TG or nothing.

As a non-supporting player, I get shut out sometimes in the evenings. I just try back five minutes later. The game play on TG is so far above anything else out there, I dont even look at other servers anymore.

In my opinion, you should allow these discussions, 'cause they will just serve to illustrate how much better TG is than every other server. The combination of no unlocks, no rank, and team play blend perfectly and result in the game being played the way it was mean to be played. . .team first, individual second.

ScratchMonkey · 01-09-2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TG_Mateo

All servers other than TG are dead to me.

Unless they are run by Blizzard. Then that's something different.

I know what you mean!

My team (MA) has a ranked and unranked server, and I've played there when TG's server was empty, but I much prefer TG's server. I get very frustrated even on MA's server because of the almost total lack of coordination. Outside of match play, no one there wants to enforce the kind of team-oriented play we enjoy here. And you'll find other MA come here to get their team play fix.

Alas, I've gone to the dark side and followed Mateo to Blizzard's server. (I got to wave at him yesterday, just before taking my low-level toon into the Warcraft-equivalent of an all-artillery zone.)

**Pokerface** · 01-09-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhack

I don't quite understand why these threads get closed. This is a perfectly valid question and he went out of his way in his original post to point out that he is just looking for a TG alternative during non-peak hours.

Did I close the thread?

Quote:

What is with this cut throat business mindset of 'stealing customers'? People come to us because they like how we play, we like how we play and noone is going to find a 'better' place than TG for this style of play. However, when the best is not available (empty server) then where else can I go to avoid smacktardery?

It's not cutthroat; it's just good business. Fox doesn't let NBC advertise this week's Law and Order dring an episode of The OC, and no one is writing angry letters to Rupert Murdoch about it.

If there's someplace out there that is as good (or at least, good enough) as TG, then so be it. We at TG however, are under zero obligation to let them have advertising (even incidental) here on the forums.

freekyE · 01-09-2006, 02:40 PM

i would think that at least if someone knows of a TG style SF server it would be nice....my 30$has mostly just gone to a different cd i can put in to play nilla bf2
(due to the rampant vacancy on server 2)

AMosely · 01-09-2006, 02:41 PM

Just remember - control of advertising is different from control of discussion. I think it should be OK for TG forum people to talk about other servers (since we all know all other servers must bow before TG). Freedom of speech. But when it comes to blatant advertising (i.e. "Come check out .... . . !") then that should definitely be shut down. This is not a BF2 discussion forum, it's a TG BF2 discussion forum.

Mateo · 01-09-2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMosely

Just remember - control of advertising is different from control of discussion. I think it should be OK for TG forum people to talk about other servers (since we all know all other servers must bow before TG). Freedom of speech. But when it comes to blatant advertising (i.e. "Come check out .... . . !") then that should definitely be shut down. This is not a BF2 discussion forum, it's a TG BF2 discussion forum.

We don't really have Freedom of Speech here.

We expect all forum users to abide by community standards and rules, which include the express ban on server/clan recruitment.

Is saying: "hey, I found this great server...." recruitment?

Yes, the admins think so, and will curtail it at the earliest possibility. We can't tell if the community member is just trying to poach players for their own server, or if they just found a like minded group of players.

We aren't going to find out either. We'd rather see players seed one of our servers than play elsewhere.

ScratchMonkey · 01-09-2006, 03:12 PM

If you do need freedom of speech and immunity from a moderator, newsgroups can't be beat.

TheVegeet · 01-09-2006, 03:14 PM

just a thought:

what if we found a "similar server", and posted info about it, but then also posted about TG on that server's website. We could include a link to this post to prove it.

Maybe this sort of mutual cross-advertising could benefit TG as well as the new server.

**Wyzcrak** · 01-09-2006, 03:22 PM

Indeed, Vageet, that's a great idea.... as long as... and this is key... the other community/server's owner and Apophis BOTH first sign off on the arrangement. This, indeed, has happened in the past, and other folks' servers have had mention here while ours had mention there.

There are solutions for, while you're in TG's environment, learning of and discussing like-minded offerings elsewhere. Those solutions, however, ALL begin with your PM to Apophis.

**Tempus** · 01-09-2006, 03:52 PM

When a recruiting post gets closed or deleted, it is not a personal decision -- it is a rule. Of course, players are free to play anywhere they want at any time, but we're not going to make this place a gaming eden just so that other servers can benefit from our playerbase.

TG has always had a consistent policy about outside recruiting. The people here have worked hard and long to create this community that we all enjoy. We've provided the best servers, atmosphere, and philosophy in order to assemble the finest group of teamplayers that can be found anywhere. It would be unfair and counterproductive to then allow this place to become a recruiting ground for other communities who have not put in the time and effort to make their own communities great.

01-09-2006, 12:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
KestrelZ17 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marshfield, MA Age: 41 Posts: 63	Servers other than TG? I was wondering if there is any place on TG where it is appropriate to inform people of other servers that promote a TG style of gameplay. I was reading through the posts from over the weekend and noticed that Bonehead posted a poll guaging interest in playing on a "TG style" ranked server. While I understand the reasons behind Tempus closing that post (i.e. ranked servers are not within the spirit of TG), I do wonder if there might be an advantage in allowing some posts concerning the playstyle of other servers. From what I have seen, the TG servers are primarily populated during the evening hours of EST (at least during the week). During the daytime hours, they seem to be empty on a fairly regular basis. While this works for me as I play primarily at night, there are times when I am home from work and have the opportunity to play (sans kids and wife) during the day. Unfortunately, the only way for me to do this is to jump on a low ping server and see how things go. As you can imagine, after playing on TG, I am usually disappointed. In fact, I typically end up quitting within the first 15 minutes and move on to different, non-BF2 things. I'm sure that many others have faced this situation as well. I was thinking that it might be nice to have some input from other TGers who have played on other servers where the gameplay is similar to here (note, similar, not identical, since I don't think any server can match what we have here). Perhaps we could limit it to non-ranked servers in order to alleviate concerns such as those raised by Tempus. There were also concerns raised that identifying other servers might split the population. I, for one, don't think that would come to fruition. I think that most people would see other servers as a place to play during TG's "off hours" and I doubt very many people would find the gameplay at other servers so superior to TG that they would leave here for there. Also, if people do leave, that would give our community a chance to see why they were leaving and if the features they were leaving for are something that TG was interested in adopting. I understand that there are other forums where you can go and ask about servers, but everytime you hear about a teamplay server, it's TG. Maybe that means that we are the one and only, but it would be nice to hear from other TGer if there are "off hour" options. With that said, I am sensitive to the concerns of the TG operators and admins. It is your server and you work hard and spend a lot to maintain it and the gameplay we have all come to enjoy. If you continue to feel that it is inappropriate to discuss other servers on TG, then that is your right and I accept your decision without reservation. After all, if not for TG, I wouldn't even be playing this game any more. For that, I thank you. KZ17

01-09-2006, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Servers other than TG? In the past, we've curbed just about every discussion like the one you're proposing. The only one I can recall was one about non-USA servers for those who aren't living in the USA (and that one went through quite a bit of scrutiny as well). That said, my recommendation would be to think twice before posting information on other servers here. It may be that once again practicality will beat out our fanaticism for our servers, but I'd not bet on it. When in doubt, PM an admin/GO/Apophis. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

01-09-2006, 01:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
KestrelZ17 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marshfield, MA Age: 41 Posts: 63	Re: Servers other than TG? Thanks for the response. Just to be clear, I have no intention whatsoever of posting information about other servers unless the admins approve it. In fact, i don't even know of any, which is why I posted in the first place. Again, the only reason I brought it up was to see if there was any chance of this becoming an approved practice to some degree. If not, so be it. I can live with TG alone.

01-09-2006, 01:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mateo Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 6,483	Re: Servers other than TG? All servers other than TG are dead to me. Unless they are run by Blizzard. Then that's something different.

01-09-2006, 01:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
BHack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 1,636	Re: Servers other than TG? I don't quite understand why these threads get closed. This is a perfectly valid question and he went out of his way in his original post to point out that he is just looking for a TG alternative during non-peak hours. This is my BF2 home, I support the community, and I like to play here. That being said - I too would like to know of other good mature servers to play around on when I have that rare opportunity to play at non-populated times. What is with this cut throat business mindset of 'stealing customers'? People come to us because they like how we play, we like how we play and noone is going to find a 'better' place than TG for this style of play. However, when the best is not available (empty server) then where else can I go to avoid smacktardery? __________________

01-09-2006, 01:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
TheRooster1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 128	Re: Servers other than TG? Since playing TG, I haven't been in any other servers for more than 10 minutes TOTAL. For me, its TG or nothing. As a non-supporting player, I get shut out sometimes in the evenings. I just try back five minutes later. The game play on TG is so far above anything else out there, I dont even look at other servers anymore. In my opinion, you should allow these discussions, 'cause they will just serve to illustrate how much better TG is than every other server. The combination of no unlocks, no rank, and team play blend perfectly and result in the game being played the way it was mean to be played. . .team first, individual second. __________________ Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato

01-09-2006, 02:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
freekyE Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: indiana Posts: 1,000	Re: Servers other than TG? i would think that at least if someone knows of a TG style SF server it would be nice....my 30$has mostly just gone to a different cd i can put in to play nilla bf2 (due to the rampant vacancy on server 2)

01-09-2006, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 33 Posts: 2,637	Re: Servers other than TG? Just remember - control of advertising is different from control of discussion. I think it should be OK for TG forum people to talk about other servers (since we all know all other servers must bow before TG). Freedom of speech. But when it comes to blatant advertising (i.e. "Come check out .... . . !") then that should definitely be shut down. This is not a BF2 discussion forum, it's a TG BF2 discussion forum.

01-09-2006, 03:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,262	Re: Servers other than TG? If you do need freedom of speech and immunity from a moderator, newsgroups can't be beat. __________________

01-09-2006, 03:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
TheVegeet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts, US Posts: 140	Re: Servers other than TG? just a thought: what if we found a "similar server", and posted info about it, but then also posted about TG on that server's website. We could include a link to this post to prove it. Maybe this sort of mutual cross-advertising could benefit TG as well as the new server. __________________ veh-JEET No, it doesn't mean anything...yet

01-09-2006, 03:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: Servers other than TG? Indeed, Vageet, that's a great idea.... as long as... and this is key... the other community/server's owner and Apophis BOTH first sign off on the arrangement. This, indeed, has happened in the past, and other folks' servers have had mention here while ours had mention there. There are solutions for, while you're in TG's environment, learning of and discussing like-minded offerings elsewhere. Those solutions, however, ALL begin with your PM to Apophis. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

01-09-2006, 03:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: Servers other than TG? When a recruiting post gets closed or deleted, it is not a personal decision -- it is a rule. Of course, players are free to play anywhere they want at any time, but we're not going to make this place a gaming eden just so that other servers can benefit from our playerbase. TG has always had a consistent policy about outside recruiting. The people here have worked hard and long to create this community that we all enjoy. We've provided the best servers, atmosphere, and philosophy in order to assemble the finest group of teamplayers that can be found anywhere. It would be unfair and counterproductive to then allow this place to become a recruiting ground for other communities who have not put in the time and effort to make their own communities great. __________________ Battlefield 2/2142 Game Officer Contact me with server/player/admin issues. -- Suits are what you wear when doing things you shouldn’t want to do anyway. FROM THE TACTICAL GAMER PRIMER. 3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

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