Bommando

Everybody take note:

Suicide tactics of any kind are now hard-written into the BF2 Rules. There is no grey area here anymore. This isn't a SOP that you can push the boundaries of. You will be kicked / banned for utilising these tactics.

Suicide tactics are defined as any action which intentionally results in your death in order to take the life of another.

This includes, but is not limited to:

• Suicide Jeeps
• Ramming of any vehicle
• Point blank use of blast radius weaponry resulting in your own death

We understand that accidents happen, but we urge you to be very careful with this rule because we're watching it carefully.

Cheers,

The BF2 Admin Team.

Maus

So, if you're AT and you're suddenly set upon by a close-range enemy without time to switch to a normal weapon is letting loose with an AT round kickable or is it considered a kind of necessary extreme?

Bommando

Rare occurrences like this are acceptable, but if you are in the habit of running around a corner and pointing a Bunkerfaust at your feet, then multiple occurrences will result in a kick. If you are holding blast radius weaponry, the expectation is that you either keep your distance from areas where you can be engaged by surprise or you use your rifle / SMG instead.

Wulfyn

It is worth noting Maus that before the minimum GL range was implemented (in patch 1.2 I think) running around a corner with the GL out and firing it on the enemy resulting in your death because "there was no time to switch to another weapon" was an action that the admins did kick people for.

As Bom said, the odd rare occasion was not acted upon as it could have been a mistake or an accident (etc), but it is pretty easy to spot the people that use this as a tactic.

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perry

Does going up against a shotgun wielding Robocop in anything short of a ballistic missle submarine count as a suicide tactic?

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icky

I want to make clear that this includes driving a jeep deep into enemy territory with the goal of running over infantry. Just because you may get 5 kills before being killed, doesn't make it acceptable.

Roaming around in friendly territory, looking for incoming attackers and running them over is fine.

Using vehicles as squad transportation to get to an attack point is fine.

Driving back and forth through the middle of combat by the church on Orel (or something similar on any map) is not acceptable, even if you happen to survive.

Loading up a jeep with C4 and attacking a tank with it is not acceptable, even if you happen to survive.

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Bommando

I think the key of what we're trying to say is quite simply:

"Don't be a smacktard."

Use your tools in-game as close as possible as they would be used in reality. We know that this is a game and there are many concessions made in the gaming environment to promote fun over simulation. However, this is one instance where there really is no grey area. Professional armies do not regularly engage in suicide tactics and a lone soldier doesn't drive in circles around an enemy base trying to run people over in the middle of a firefight. Don't even try to argue nuances and possibilities. Even if you find a Wikipedia article where one real soldier did this once, we are not going to change our mind.

Rick_the_new_guy

One thing i need to work on is swithing from GL round to bullet in close quaters action.
Having the GL equipment in close quaters action is not going to happen in real life, cause you would hurt the crap out of your self.

The weapon by default comes equipt in bullet mode for a reason.

Thanks for the refresher.

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DudeWheresMyAK47

As a tanker, I cannot begin to tell you how this lame ass tactic has got on my bloody wick
Many times - many, many, many times have i been done by a C4'd jeep, or a suicide jet/chopper!! Grr - why do it?
They think they are cool, taking out a tank with a jeep? no - not cool, bloody uncool and decidedly un-British, what'oh

Obi

First of all I am totally happy with obeying any rule that the BF2 admin team announce. I'd just like to clayify. Am I correct in saying that if I am defending flag Alpha then I am allowed to run people over, but if I am attacking flag Alpha then I cannot run peolpe over?


It's just not cricket!

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DudeWheresMyAK47

Nope, not cricket.
More bloody golf, the puffs.

icky

I was expecting a response like this from someone.

Just think in terms of reality. We are simulating combat to the extent that we can within BF2.

If you were an american soldier, approaching Tikrit for the first time, would you drive into the town, hoping to run over a bunch of defending soldiers before getting killed, or would you drive carefully with your supporting infantry an armor, avoiding the possibility of getting flanked and destroyed?

Conversely, if you were defending a military outpost, would you keep your vehicle inside and wait for the attackers to get to the gates, or would you patrol the perimeter, hoping to spot incoming attackers before they got close?

If you happened to see two tanks and an APC in the distance, would you retreat and call for armor and air support, or would you load up your jeep with explosives and drive toward the armor column, trying to avoid their shells?

Now you may find yourself driving your squad into territory that you believe to be undefended, only to find that there are enemy soldiers there. In that case, you would do whatever it takes to save your life, including running people over and running away, but as soon as you circle back for a second pass, it is obvious that you aren't taking the threat seriously, and that is what we call a suicidal attack.

I think that paints a pretty clear picture.

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Steeler

Worst offense I've personally seen: On the Dalian Plant runway, revving up the Mig. Enemy Blackhawk sails into the UCB with 2 passengers onboard, veers right, skids down the runway and bashes into me before I even get to throttle up. And I didn't even get the kill.

Don't. Do. That.

Good call, admins.

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xTYBALTx

It's the difference between driving through a pitched battle with the sole intention of running folks over as opposed to being just so lucky enough that a few enemy infantry were standing around in the open while you were en route to a target, at a target, or driving around scouting.

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