Bisclaveret

This used to happen all the time on our POE2 and PR servers, with the 6th and the 7th, and they always claimed foul whenever it was brought up that they had 12+ members of the IHSs on one side and the other side was full of joe pubbies after 2 rounds. Really, how hard is it to split yourself up if you have that many people in your IHS. Spread the love (and the skills) around.

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Foxhound|RED

The way I see it, its up to the better (read: best) players to consistently monitor the teams and switch accoordingly. Its the inbalance in skill that becomes problematic. Noone minds if there are 6 people from the same clan stacked up unless that creates severe rape. You know who you are, its your responsibility.

I logged on today, and my team was raped 6 rounds in a row, I lost the count somewhere after "Too Much" or "Too Painful". So I switched to the other side. I dont really like to not to have a chance.

Perhaps further down the road, if I give a damn enough to gain experience and skill, I could be one of those people who can turn the tables, but until that happens, Id like the skilled bunch to take initiative.

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Iamthefallen

Negative, you are as responsible as everyone else.
I am not responsible for the other team being 1/3rd snipers, or the arty, helo, jets, and CO seat being empty. In fact, I'm very unlikely to even notice it. These are far more likely to contribute to a loss than a single IHS squad.

If you don't speak up, someone on the other team might notice and be kind enough to switch, but it's not their responsibility to keep track of balance and resource usage any more than it's yours. While it's everyones responsibility to make sure we have a good server that's fun to play on, in the end, you are responsible for your enjoyment. So if you think that the balance is way off and you can't make a difference on your own, then please, at least speak up and ask for the teams to be evened out. Again, you will see people switch over to help.

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ParkBench

wouldn't it be great to have a "Time Out" or "Pause" Button.

Admins could hit a button the game pauses, they post a text announcement, so that everyone see / reads it, and then GAME ON!

I guess I agree its up to the regulars (no offense IRRs) to just check whats going on. Keep an eye out, and rock the TS channel with concerns.

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Foxhound|RED

The fact that this comes from a member of the 12th, discredits this post and makes it invalid.

Its not my responsibility because changing the course of battle is not in my powers, quite simply because I dont have the necessary skill to be able to do so. What Im saying is 100% from my observations in a series of online MP FPS games. Youre basically telling me that its the newbies responsibility to keep the game balanced when in fact, its precisely the problem of "pros" being stacked on one side against newbies, that creates the inbalance in the first place.

If youre skilled, its your job and duty, for the benefit of the overall enjoyement from the gameplay, to keep the game balanced. Newbies cant do jack.

Before I quit BF2 1.5 years ago, I was precisely that player, who could steamroll the whole 64 player server, I did the same thing in SWAT4, and from my perspective, it was always up to the servers best and finest to uphold the balance. "We" could manage on either side.

Which is precisely why Im going to switch every time when the odds are stacked so bad against me, that we end up with a 200+:0 ticket count, or all of our players having sub 1:1 KDR. Yes, Ive seen things get that bad, no, Im not the guy to complain. I just do, if you dont like it, its your problem. Dont take an elitist attitude, even though youre capable of evening the odds, and as a representative of the TG server, SHOULD take the initiative.

(content written under the influence of alcohol)

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Gahlas

Switching because your team is losing sure isn't going to help solve the problem any. Step-up to the CO seat or SL position, ask for help, hop in an asset but never switch teams just because you are losing. Just because you are not as good as someone else does not mean you cannot help the team.

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QuotedCuzGahlasIsAlwaysRight

If the game isnt going well - make an effort to change it for your CURRENT side, FoxHoundRed.
Period.

Your attitude sucks.

khaerus

First thing: keep all the comments mature and constructive.

About maintaining balance for the teams: Typically, admins would in fact make some attempt to even things up a little in the event that one team got "skill-disadvantaged." This is not ideal, but it'd happen once in awhile, and it's not a huge deal. It's easier than having half the population try to balance the server at once, and create a counter-balance pendulum of doom...

That said, this is still an excellent point:

I would never entertain anyone's notion that my side was "stacked" if I hear on TS that the other team couldn't get it going because of things like this. If I see capable SLs on the other side, well, I'm gonna assume that they'll step up and do the job and help get the ship righted. Yes, making an effort to change your current side is the best thing you can do.

It's when I don't see any known SLs on the other side that I'll jump over and try to give that team a hand. And I won't have 5 snipers in my squad, and I won't let a commander not do his job, etc...

Like Gahlas alluded to: If we have capable guys on each side, 6-8 decent SLs can ensure that we have great matches all night- it's that easy.

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unKind-Bud

kk


Your attitude is incongruent with mine.
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My thing is, if your team sucks, give them some help as was mentioned, (sit in the commander seat/spot enemies, SL and give orders/be a forward spawn point, etc)

teamplay is integral to PoE
teamplay is integral to fun in PoE

SAITCHO

Like ive said in a prior thread about balancing teams, send the winning team attacking on snakes eyes or some similar unbalanced maps to give the loosing team a winning chance. I dont know who have the power to change the maps, but they could really help balance things up with ease.

Rick_Slick

Here is the bottom line we're all skirting around:

1) No one likes to lose. Basic human nature.

2) If your team is once again getting routed by the other team, you basically have 3 options:

a) Leave the server
b) Switch to the other team
c) Step up your game and/or be SL/CO to help other people step up their game.

No one here wants anyone to do (a)... I think that can go without saying. You guys wouldn't even want me to do that, because then the opposing team would be deprived of some easy kills if I left.

Taking option (b) doesn't make the losing team stronger... it is purely selfish so you can have a feel-good win under your belt that doesn't mean anything to anyone after it's over except yourself. Yaaay... self high-five!

The problem with (c) is that it can't just be one person stepping up their game... it has to be the entire team stepping up their game. Or at least take the loss and learn from it. Overcome adversity to become a better player. You're not going to learn anything by shifting over to the winning team so you can have your win handed to you on a silver platter. How does it improve your playing to follow behind Mantis and not get any kills because he sees everyone 3 seconds before you do?

Trust me. I suck. I lose a lot. My entire team groans when I join. But a few people here have seen me pull off some clutch moves from time to time. Like that time I dropped a cookie on my left mouse button and took out corporate's entire squad on Fallen. Or the time I got the anti-material rifle away from Dirty Berd for all of 3 minutes before he came back and killed me to get it back. But the point I'm trying to make is that losing is not the end of the world. Neither is losing every round you ever play all night on any particular night. No one is going to make fun of you at work the next morning. Your wife is not going to call you out for having a small e-penis.

The tragedy is only if no one ever learns anything from those losses. Or if you never learn anything from running right up to Namebot in a Dingo because you didn't see that the gunner's seat was manned. Or if you never learn that POE2 only has 4 C4 packs instead of 5 like vanilla BF2 while you're busy clicking away.

If the teams seem a bit unstacked, bring it to someone's attention. Chances are you're not the only one feeling that way, and someone will usually be a good sport and do something about it. If you're the only one feeling that way... well then, take the opportunity to learn.

Everyone can't always be on the winning side. Just ask the Miami Dolphins.

vectorline

I"d much rather be on the losing team against a stronger opponent rather than steamrolling along with a stacked team, makes for much more fun/challenging play, like cracking a brazil nut. The brazil nut is tough. You need a tool. Like a pair of nut crackers.

Foxhound|RED

I wake up at 5:30 AM because I love POE2 that much, that Im willing to get to that only server that plays the game right. I get to play 3 or so hours, often less, sometimes more. And when during these ~3 hours Ive been steamrolled and raped, I am not having fun.

"Make an effort?" Please, get real, this isnt a Rocky movie. This doesnt happen overnight. An occasional spark of "luck´n´awesome" does not overweight the domination and rape from opposition for hours, rounds, maps, days, yadda yadda. Like Ive already said, I lack the capability to change the teams outcome, I recently just started playing this game again, and I doubt Ill invest hundreds of hours into it so that I can tear you a new one (and Im perfectly capable of going that far, sir). I just want to have fun, enjoy the company, the people, and teamwork. I think TG is great, and normally I wouldnt have a problem with teamstacking, but at least here, theres a group of regulars who get to read the opinions of visitors to the server and perhaps put an effort towards it.

Or, you know, maybe in 6 months time I can actually start having fun by raping the server my own way. [/end sarcasm]

The greatest games in any MP videogame are those with a close ending. Videogame Rockys dont exist, its all about team effort. And I find it amusing that people suggest stepping up and taking SL position (even though I CLEARLY mentioned lack of skill) or CO position (which isnt even funny, because TG members have a huge dislike towards CO spamming- true story).

No hard feelings here, if I came or come across too pushy or demanding, its the hangover and alcohol speaking. Just thought Id let you guys know the world from a newbies perspective.

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HiTestFest

Foxhound,
Contrary to popular belief, it doesnt take alot of skill to become a SL. Heck i do it every night and it befuddles me that my squad fills up rather quickly. Maybe they join my squad for comic relief or something who knows. All you have to do is step up be a SL and ask for help. Almost everyone here will teach you the basics of being a SL.

unKind-Bud

The_Same

I have my maps (3 or less) that I have come to know pretty well over time, but of course there's been a bunch of new maps added - so I am shocked when my squads dont empty out after 3 failed surges at a flag.

Know this overall Foxhound|RED: I think it sucks when the teams are stacked, too, so I feel your pain. I guess all I can suggest is to do what you can for your team in that instance, speak up in in-game chat as to the unbalance, and hope that the next time you login, things are more even.