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08-31-2008, 01:33 AM #1
Locked Squads
I am going to try and explain some of the reasoning behind running my locked squads which apparently some folks don't agree with.
The SOP on the server is to have everyone wait for a minute and a half until one TG guy loses a bet and has to SL which is instantly filled with regulars. I personally can’t stand to join a squad like this so I start my own private squad.
“But Gahlas, why would you start your own locked squad and invite certain folks then…?”
I don’t use a microphone. I don’t like them and I am never going to use one. This means that I can’t give new players the full guidance they need. It gets very old typing in chat trying to keep the squad together and end up kicking half the people. This is even a problem with some TGers that join my squad. There seems to be some mental block that when the SL does not have a mic, folks are incapable of understanding what is going on. Marker spamming and typing constantly in chat are not enough for some I guess. It really gets my blood pressure up when people can’t follow the objectives closely, and I just get angry and quit playing.
The people I invite into my squads know how to work together, and they can do it without any sort of vocal guidance. I can invite Robocop in my squad and we will have an entire conversation with out typing or speaking a word. Emdek and I can cap more flags in a round than the rest of the team. Troublesome and I will take down whole squads while at the same time watching each other and making sure neither of us go down.
There used to be a group of folks around some few of you might remember called the 1stMIP. The would lock their squads and anyone willing to get in on some extraordinary teamwork could ask for an invite. This is what I am doing with the folks I invite into my private squad. Be it two people or four, there is a pretty good chance we are using far more teamwork than the rest of the team. So the next time you see me in a locked squad, don’t be offended, put off, or feel excluded by it. We are using teamwork and are not some random folks on the server playing lone sniper.
Here is a nice screen showing what I am talking about. I didn’t tell these guys where to look, they knew.

When the TGers with mics start stepping up, separating out and teaching the new guys how things are done I will return to the regular squads. I know I am not helping with this but I must say… I don’t think it should be up to me. After three years I think I deserve a break from always playing the role that no one else will, being the only one getting on the flag, the only one spotting enemies. I want to have a bit of fun, try new things, use some assets with the people I enjoy playing with.


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08-31-2008, 02:20 AM #2
Re: Locked Squads
Gahlas, I understand why you're trying to make some of these points, but two-man locked squads are not going to fly on TG servers, for a variety of reasons. When it's something that happens more and more often, it's going to garner attention and corrective action. That's what's happening here- you've been doing it a lot lately, and it's got our attention.
No small locked squads, please. It goes against too much of what we're trying to do here.OPS, the bacon is on you.
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08-31-2008, 02:25 AM #3
Re: Locked Squads
I couldn't care less about locked squads personally unless there are 9 of them.
This whole microphone philosophy is what I don't understand. IMO there is no better communication mechanism than being able to talk to your squad members. You have a much better chance of getting critical information across as opposed to text chat...especially when everyone is busy fighting as is the case with POE2's fast game play.
I've done enough SL'ing where I've seen that the performance of a squad is noticeably better when everyone is on voice and calling out contact information. I get hassled on occasion for talking too much but it's the best way I know of to "prime the pump" so to speak. Set the example and get the squad firing on all cylinders and all of a sudden you have the confidence to take on Mantis and win. Well, unless he's in the air.
I'm a firm believer that SLs should be on voice but hey, if the max # of squads has not been reached then all the power to ya.
Bernout
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08-31-2008, 03:20 AM #4
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Re: Locked Squads
Gahlas, you are an awesome player and i'd be in your squad any day.
I can understand why you lock the squads and invite people that know you don't use a mic and are up for playing like that. But locking squads isn't popular, but here's an idea. Sometimes when it's 2-3 AM here and i'm up playing i'll make NOVOIP squads. That way people know what the squad is about! And like you describe it is possible to run without voip and be pretty efficient with the right guys, but voip really is much better. Contact reports and plans go alot smoother to communicate with a mic!
But are you mic-shy dude? If i can play with my horrible english accent, i'm betting you'd do allright too!
Ok good luck anyways mate, see you!!!












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08-31-2008, 04:11 AM #5
Re: Locked Squads
I feel the same thing. You can seriously be more effective with less people, because you don't have anyone shooting their gun off giving your position away or any number of other things that defeats the purpose of your mission. Go join a squad more often. Surely you can't feel that there are no competent leaders other than those you mentioned.
Its funny because a while back I was SLing without a mic and ended up kicking all but 1 man out of my full squad because they wouldn't read what I was typing. Frustrating is not strong enough to describe how I felt. Then one of them gave me some lip, because I was being a jerk...Last edited by Namebot; 08-31-2008 at 04:29 AM.
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08-31-2008, 10:00 AM #6
Re: Locked Squads
Gahlas
I am disappointed by the elitists’ attitude I see in this post. Basically what you have written is that only those you deem good enough are allowed to join your squad. And because you choose not to use a microphone you decide a significant factor in player quality is how well they follow orders issued in chat or the comms rosette. Where is the team building in that?
I think part of your frustration comes from your choice to not use a microphone. Sometimes players have difficulty interpreting the orders on the map. One of the problems with relying on the comms rosette is that many squad leaders use it differently. Some SLs use it at the start of the game and then forget to update objectives, some use it when they want something specific done and then forget to change it after that action is taken, some use it for each and every order. So when people see the map display with an “attack here” or “defend here” they are not always sure if that is what the squad leader wants them to do right now or that is what the order was 5 minutes ago. A player has to interpret the order as best he can; Does he still want me to mine that bridge now that the squad has a tank? Orders typed in chat are sometimes only up there for a second so there is no guarantee that all the squad members see it.
I’ll describe an experience I had once as an example here, this is not meant as a criticism, but to explain what I mean. I was in your squad on Crimea. Your order was to defend Church at the bridge. We were doing that for a while. I died and when I looked at the map I noticed that you were down all alone by the beach village flag moving in to cap it. I assumed that you wanted some help so I spawned on you to help take the flag, then a few other members did also. You got very upset that we were not defending church as you had ordered. The problem resulted from a lack of communication. On my part I forgot to ask you if you wanted help, on your part you did not tell the squad why you were all alone down by the beach flag. If you did type it in chat it got lost in the chat before anyone could notice. All of this could have been eliminated by effective use of VOIP.
No one is perfect. Squad members can follow orders to the best of their ability; they are not able to read the minds of the squad leader. The squad leader must accept that and help his little ducklings along to form the best squad possible. Chat works only if you establish some way to make sure that everyone has read your post.
You are entitled to choose any members you want to be in your squad, however I am disappointed by your post and that you have chosen not to embrace novice or intermediate players and help them improve.
As a final note locked squads are discouraged on the server, especially small ones.
Personally I can only condone locked squads for a few very specific reasons, creating an uber squad is not one of them.
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08-31-2008, 10:48 AM #7
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Re: Locked Squads
Gahlas, If I was in one of your squads, I would go nuts and leave. Microphones are IMO the only way to communicate quickly and easily. It actually makes me so angry when people start a squad or go commander without a microphone. If they don't have a microphone chances are I would tell them to let someone with a microphone squad lead or command. If they dont, then I would probably teamswitch (habit of mine) or leave the server in frustration. As for the small locked squads...in PR those are very common due to the assets, in POE though, no. PoE has many assets that respawn extremely quick so there is no reason to have a dedicated squad to one. As the admins have said there is no practical no good reason to lock a squad in PoE unless you want to get told to unlock it.
My 2 cents.
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08-31-2008, 12:23 PM #8
Re: Locked Squads
I dont have a problem with the two man locked squad as long as you are helping the team win. There have been times when you lock the squad so you and someone else can go off and have fun ie., the other night on Snake Eyes. Heck i would be a liar if i didnt say that i was ROFL at what you and emdek were doing with those boats but it was detrimental to the team.
On the other hand, last night on Kharkiv, you had a two man locked squad and caused major havoc to the other team.
Gahlas, i have learned more from you than any other person on this server voip or no voip for that, i thank you.
You probably just roll your eyes when im in a squad with you and you have to tell me that i get only five mines to place... LOL ...
Or when i was SL on Orel a while back and i was in the house that was getting bombarded and you had to type "GET OUT OF THE HOUSE TEST AND RUN ". LOL
I know how frustrated you get when there is lack of teamwork on the server but some of us TGers are trying our best to right the wrong.





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Artillery conquers and infantry occupies.
J.F.C. Fuller
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08-31-2008, 12:56 PM #9
Re: Locked Squads
Well I am rewriting my response to this because my internet died as I was submitting a response to this. (Another one of the big reasons I run small squads)
Eflight, this is something unique to me I think. A bit like those old MIP squads that were locked with a few regulars using some hefty teamwork and discipline, only without a microphone. I just like to have control, inviting people I know will understand what I am doing. I don't let people in that will be confused without a microphone. I would think you would see that as a good thing. They can join a squad where everything is explained to them and I can run a well oiled machine where I don't have to take that time. It is a real thrill working with people that CAN read your mind. I have been playing here longer than most and I have done far more than my part in playing with those novices. It hurts me that someone would mention that I don't care to help them. It is just after three years I need a bit of time off. I am not trying to make an uber squad that can crush all our foes. I am seeking discipline.
As for that time at church I was constantly spamming the order marker on the bridge and I typed in chat that I only a specific squad member to come with me. We lost the flag because only one person understood. It is not that big of a deal it is just it gets my blood pressure up and I over react. So does that mean I should go out and buy a microphone? I don't think so. I just want to try and have that 1stMIPish feeling I miss.
Other folks have done a good job of bringing this up so I don't think I need to add much reasoning to it. Small squads can get a lot done. I can play as spec ops and have one other person as medic and we can sneak around the lines and cap backflags, sometimes even fully defended main flags. Especially if we know how each other react and play.


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09-01-2008, 01:17 AM #10
Re: Locked Squads
I think the point everyone else is trying to make politely is that there is not one squad leader out there who would love to have an entire squad full of like-minded people that know precisely what to do and what the SL is thinking. Why do YOU get to be the squad leader that gets to pick and choose his squad when everyone else has to work with what they get? It doesn't seem fair when I put it that way now, does it?
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09-01-2008, 02:40 AM #11
Re: Locked Squads
The first sentence is obviously inacurate. The second makes total sense to me. But for some reason I don't think it's the lack of a mic that improves your squads performence, heck with the folks you mentioned plus yourself in a squad, you guys should accomplish something.
But not using a mic on spies like us is nice since I can hear the music....
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09-01-2008, 11:34 AM #12
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09-01-2008, 01:51 PM #13
Re: Locked Squads
very interesting , and Gahlas does make a point. By what ive seen on the server , it is on rare occasions that Gahlas pulls off the 2 men locked squad , and when he does, its mostly on horrible maps and all he does is Teamkill Emdek , or i get thrown off a building while sniping ! Now for the other maps , the fact he doesnt have a mic is an extra challange when you have to control players that dont know what they are doing. And Gahlas likes to Sl , and hes very good at it , and the only way to have real fun on this game is by being Tactical , and he does so by picking players that have been playing for a while and that knows how the game works. I mean the lock system is there for a reason, so i believe he has the right 2 use it , and when he does its for tactical reasons . I mean it is a "Tactical Gamer"" server , right ?
and if u feel offended by not being invited , all u have to do is ask ! like i do on many occasions to join his squad ! dont be scared he wont bite !
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09-01-2008, 02:30 PM #14
Re: Locked Squads
OMG!!! Cyco105 welcome to the forums and thanks for giving insight to this.
Now get back to reviving.





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09-01-2008, 07:51 PM #15
Re: Locked Squads
So does that give all squad leaders the right to lock their squads and pick and choose who they want in their squad like we're back in middle school and we're picking teams for dodgeball and the fat, slow kids are going to get picked last?
Of course the answer is no, so then the question remains... why does Gahlas get that privilege when other squad leaders would love to be able to pick and choose who is in their squad in order to maximize their enjoyment of the game?
Yeah, I would love to squad lead with Project, Mantis, Dirty Berd, SAITCHO, and Whiskey Six all in my squad. And it would be a pretty damn effective squad. And fun. But I'm not going to lock my squad and pick and choose who gets to be in it like some sort of elite yacht club. If one or more of those guys join on their own, great. If not, my responsibility as a squad leader is to take the good with the bad and make the most of the personnel assets that I have, with the discretion to boot a guy who's not playing as part of the squad I'm trying to lead. Not to create a squad full of ringers for myself because that's the only way I can enjoy the game.
As an outsider, you guys are telling the IHS to make sure they split up among the squads and teams to provide balance and training. If a squad leader is allowed to play with only those players he chooses, then in my opinion, I'm sure the IHS squads would like to play with the rest of their IHS and should be allowed to do so as well. That is the double-standard you would be encouraging.
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