Originally Posted by gator skywalker

Spawn camping is not TG, it is lame. It takes no skill to sit on a spawn point and shoot people as they spawn. It is the very reason we do not have a ranked server. Plain and simple, it is a very unfun thing to do and it really does cause people to leave the server.

It also takes no skill to fly a plane over to a spawn point and drop bombs on infantry trying to capture it. It also takes no skill for a sniper to sit on a hill and pick off guys spawning at a capturable flag with the AM rifle. It takes no skill to shoot someone in the back or while they are reloading because they did not know you were there or cannot return fire. It takes no skill to pop a frag grenade over to a group of guys and watch them all die.

Are we seriously going to sit here and whine about one team letting an APC of the enemy team roll over to a tactically advantageous position and provide suppression fire in support of the enemy team's assault on the flag on a TACTICAL gamer server?

Every single person crying foul on this is a whiner and has no place engaging in tactical combat on this server, from which the fun is derived. YOUR fun is coming from "not getting pwned by someone better than me or who picked a better spot to park their APC" and then coming here and claiming it's "non-TG" to do that. That is BS. Just like a few people above me said... adapt and overcome. You have all the assets at your team's disposal to deal with that APC... either by preventing it from getting to that spot in the first place (now you know to C4/mine the hell out of the location, right?) or by continuing to respawn at the flag you KNOW is under heavy suppression fire from an APC and crying about it when you die. Everyone who respawned there instead of respawning at a different flag and making their way to the APC from a different direction and dealing with it, from a tactical perspective, deserved the shellacking they got.

I'll be first to make a snide comment in chat when Namebot or SAITCHO is whoring up a dingo or armor and giving a particular flag hell, or if Dirty Berd is racking up kills with the AM rifle from some hill somewhere... but in the end it is my team's responsibility to a) prevent them from getting to that superior firing position, and b) to deal with the threat just like any other unit in the game.

WhiskeySix already posted the applicable TG rules above.

"- Shelling a CP from far away with no intention of capturing that CP. (not a terribly useful tactic, but it doesn't violate any rules)"

So there you go... yes, it is in fact TG, and if people are leaving the server over it, these are people who are not interested in making a tactical decision to spawn elsewhere and adapt and overcome. They are the ones that don't belong on a TACTICAL gamer server. They are the ones less likely to follow orders in squad. They are the ones more likely to give up too easily and not apply tactics or strategy to overcoming the enemy that has found a better tactic. Maybe it is better that they return to a POE2 server where the players are of a lower caliber and wouldn't think to park an APC there and suppress the enemy forces spawning in so their team can get the flag.

Sorry, but it had to be said. I do not want this server to become all gimped-up by people who have no sense of working together as a team to overcome a challenge.